WTF? (go ahead-censor me now)

[iblis]

I would be old skool.

You should be very wary about the fine line between "old school" and simply "outdated".

Anytime you use a guitar you are using riffs blues already created.

Not quite. There's plenty of (in my opinion, badass) spanish / mexican fingering technique used today that had abso-fucking-lutely no blues influence at all. But the majority of music today does owe tribute to the blues; I'll definitely concede to that point.

[MahoganyDawn]

I had a nice long post in mind... however... the subject has been run into the ground. I'm going to refer back to my previous posts on this subject as I feel they say it all. Especially the one quoted from the other unrelated thread.

Thankyou.
Have a nice day.

[Hardcoregirl]

I would be old skool.

Define that.


I'm just curious as to your definition.

[morellademone]

Good, at least people are feeling free to express their opinions. Sometimes it takes a bulldozer to get the wall to budge and I am quite a bulldozer when I feel strongly about something. I love you too morgan just so you know. I love certain other people too but not too many. I will say that darkdahla is in fact an active participant of events dating years back, even before I reached legal age. This person does not frequent this board for various reasons but I assure you that you have seen him/her at events and probably even shared a conversation or two. This is cyberspace you never know who you are really talking to sometimes. I personally rarely post because I don't care for the majority of the conversations on here, I view the board as informational and if I feel strongly enough about a topic then I will post. As for the daily gosip and frolicing I don't have time for it and it doesn't interest me all that much, for those of you who like it more power to you.

Evolution is a good thing even in baby steps, that's what keeps ME from snoring.

[The Liberal Vampyre]

"Good Stuff...Gimme Some of that Goood Stuff..."
(Quoting the B-52's)
Look out next Sanctus......

Hey, I definitely want to be there if "Hot Pants Explosion!" is ever played!

[The Stormstress]

OMMFG... Bitch much?!?!

[darkdahla]

And why would you listen to music that you hate?

I have found it great for determining people's musical tastes and deciding whether or not I should listen to their suggestions on bands to listen to. An example would be if someone listened to Warrant, Vanilla Ice, and Backstreet boys that their taste in music is atrocious(in my opinion). And therefore completely ignore any bands they suggest I listen to.

[darkdahla]

I would be old skool.

You should be very wary about the fine line between "old school" and simply "outdated".

Perhaps you should look up the meaning of outdated. Old skool means been around for awhile while "outdated" means being out of date or antiquated. Asking for new music would seem to be under neither.

P.S.-I hope that wasn't a personal jab. It would be very unbecoming of a mature individual wouldn't it? After all, 2 of the dj's and some of the patrons of the club are old skool as well and may take such a comment as insulting.

[Zeo]

Nothing is more frustrating than watching a thread like this disintegrate into people saying "Wow, this is boring" or "Ho hum". It really showcases where the apathy is.

Yes, yes it does. Shameful, shameful behavior.

Wake up Andy, the matrix has you.
Tell em' that your a tiger! Tell em what you can do!

And Caustic....Limp Biskit does not play fucking goth music.

If Spam here were to compose a melody or mix that fit into the "Gothic" genre, it would be considered "Gothic", even though he most certainly is not.

If you spray perfume on shit it still smells like shit. Shit is Shit realize that and your life will be much better.

That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet..

Again, perhaps you should look past your blind dislike for an artist and actually pay attention to the music that's being described. I don't care if a song is performed by someone previously known for hip-hop, goth, darkwave, new age, alternative, country, or fucking polka, if they put out a tune that fits the mood, there should be nothing wrong with playing it during a "goth night".

Name 5 bands under the goth music genre without looking it up on a google search.
30 seconds.....29......28....27.....26....25.....
Aaah, fuck it.
Go back to your Pepsi driven MTV universe.

The music played at Sanctus is just as diverse as the people who attend it.

Well, almost.

Hehehe yeah.. we are a bit widespread. ;o)

http://www.stevenklewis.com/trey/pages/IMAG0072_JPG.htm

apparently.

You know here is a simple and usable suggestion. Make a new Forum specifically for new music request. Have people put up songs they'd like to hear at the club and people can go download the song and put their opinion of the song on the forum. This will surely appease the masses and give the dj's an even better understanding of what people want to listen to at the club.


There is nothing wrong with this idea and it would require minimal effort on the part of all involved.

And from where do you propose people download the music?

From your ass. You can copy and paste to your toilet. Flush.

And Caustic....Limp Biskit does not play fucking goth music.

If Spam here were to compose a melody or mix that fit into the "Gothic" genre, it would be considered "Gothic", even though he most certainly is not.

If you spray perfume on shit it still smells like shit. Shit is Shit realize that and your life will be much better.

That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet..

Again, perhaps you should look past your blind dislike for an artist and actually pay attention to the music that's being described. I don't care if a song is performed by someone previously known for hip-hop, goth, darkwave, new age, alternative, country, or fucking polka, if they put out a tune that fits the mood, there should be nothing wrong with playing it during a "goth night".

See the point of making requests, helps but not really...i see 3908239048 different things requested every month, and 9 times out of 10 the only stuff requested that gets played is the stuff people shouldn't be requesting anyway, cus it gets played anyway.

Now, where i will say that promoting and booking and all that jazz is a difficult job, it almost ALWAYS HAS to be about the love, cus there ain't no heavy money making going on. I don't think Karla meant she wants to live off of jasons sancti-cash....she was making a point of....hey there isn't heavy money making going on here. And there is NOT.

I totally agree with the fact that different stuff should get played....i mean, fuck, if its someone NOTICABLE, people aren't going to care.....does anyone think that people will ONLY dance to a Prince song, if its Erotic City, Lets Go Crazy, or Little Red Corvette??....no you hear that grainy high pitch voice and say...ahh this is prince, i'm fucking dancing.....that will pretty much go into a simple equation of A-B= good......not A+A=good.

I also feel like my statement of "don't like don't go" was somewhat taken out of context......I truthfully don't think that even if there was no Sanctus, this community would die, i mean....how many non official KG deals are there?? at least 2 a week.....but heres exactly what i mean.......

This argument comes up every 2 months....now its said "request, talk to the djs blah blah blah" but let's face it, that doesn't work, cus if it did, then, well...this argument wouldn't be here every other month. If you don't go for a month or two, they're gonna say, oh shit, maybe we should change this up.

Now heres my bitch with everyone complaining.....everyone is always bitching about the godamn safety dance....if you hate it why do you dance to it......99 red balloons, again.....whatever else??? 3rd verse, same as the first. NOW I KNOW, everyone is gonna say "but i don't" and a fraction of you are correct, but then the other 2/3 's of you are timewarp whores. Not a bad thing. I'm just saying, if you want change, and its a good enough majority of you guys that want it....(and usually it is...i mean fuck this post is 4 pages right now) then don't preach to the choir, and then go out and sin all night long.

does all of that make any better sense??

in addition i would just like to say.....*80s night tonight @ iveys*

god i am a whore

in addition? as if.

And Caustic....Limp Biskit does not play fucking goth music.

If Spam here were to compose a melody or mix that fit into the "Gothic" genre, it would be considered "Gothic", even though he most certainly is not.

If you spray perfume on shit it still smells like shit. Shit is Shit realize that and your life will be much better.

That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet..

Again, perhaps you should look past your blind dislike for an artist and actually pay attention to the music that's being described. I don't care if a song is performed by someone previously known for hip-hop, goth, darkwave, new age, alternative, country, or fucking polka, if they put out a tune that fits the mood, there should be nothing wrong with playing it during a "goth night".

Yeah! What he said!

hot carl polka.

The reason I have not to this point participated in this conversation is that I have not had time for a topic that has been covered at least 4 times in the past 2 years. IMO the topic is tired but I suppose it's necessary. Without criticism, things would fall apart.

Look, we can't please all of you all of the time. We do what we can when we can.. If you have a song that you really like and we don't seem to have been exposed to it, bring it and let one of us give it a listen. If we like it and it's right for a club, it will get played. As a matter of fact, that very thing happened at the beginning of my set at Sanctus thanks to a friend of Mike's.

One other thing. Those of you that are bitching that we are collecting money at the door to support ourselves, KnoxGothic, and the community, I would let you know that you can keep bitching about it but at the end of the day, it's not going to change. This is what we do and I am proud to be a part of it.

whatever.

< bitch >



It's a dance night. Get over yourselves and have a good time. If "Safety Dance" gets your knickers in that bad of a twist, go home.

< /bitch >

how about a "safety marriage"?

Limp Biskit does not play fucking goth music.

Surprise! Neither do half the artists played at Sanctus. And you know what?

Fuck. Goth. No, really. Plain and simple. And, for the most part, fuck a lot of industrial, too. In fact, I say fuck to most music because most of it's shit. I entirely agree.

But that by no means negates that the Limp Bizkit song on the Matrix Reloaded soundtrack is far more appropriate for Sanctus than George Michael or Safety Dance in terms of atmosphere.

If you think that they are goth because they're on that soundtrack then perhaps you should watch the movie for all the raver city Zion crap.

Let's get this straight: they're not Goth until they're on a Crow soundtrack. And that is by no means a rave in the film -- there aren't enough glowsticks after the machines took over. Duh.

Have people put up songs they'd like to hear at the club and people can go download the song and put their opinion of the song on the forum.

There is nothing wrong with this idea and it would require minimal effort on the part of all involved.

Yeah, man! Nothing wrong with pirating music! Fuck you music! You're my bitch!

So your saying that it would be OK to play hiphop songs on "Goth Night".

Who cares what Iblis thinks; he's not a DJ. Me? I was. And, since you apparently don't know, I did play hip-hop. And rap. And, surprise of all surprises, Garth Brooks. And people, if not many, danced to all of it.

But even more importantly, customers who didn't dance would show up early for my sets, and some people would leave when I was done. No shit.

The point? People respect quality music, whomever's making it, whether it's Limp Bizkit, Culture Kultur, or Brian Boitano. And no amount of your hand-stapled bitching's going to make a lick of difference about it.

Yeah. Fuck everything you pretend to stand for.
And don't give us that "stealing music" bullshit. You are just as red as anyone else.
Buy if you like it. Support what you want.
At least 3 tracks off the album as Bone would say. Heh.
You may be Bill Gates's bitch now, but you don't have to act like it. Yet.
Balrog.

Really? So your saying that it would be OK to play hiphop songs on "Goth Night". I know of several hiphop songs that have a dark mood to them.

Well, I once requested some Outkast and it did get played by Arkady, right before we sang happy birthday to KG for its first birthday. And many people enjoyed it.

Honestly, I practically lived at Lava, have missed maybe 2 sancti and have supported weekly nights for a long time...I've been involved with these people since before KG was a forum, and if all I ever heard was "goth music" I'd probably NEVER go out. I don't like most "modern goth" music.


Hmm..Sanctus and KG are almost 2 years old...they must be doing something right.

Michael, you are an excellent dj and I always enjoy your sets, but I still would rather people stay home than come on here and bitch. Its not like you dj's haven't been hearing the same old same old complaining for the past 2 years.... (and this isn't personal towards balance and morellademone...I love you guys).


Well, I'm gonna go to events and sanctus when I feel like it, not for the music, the dancing or the booze, but because I like to be around my friends, and thats why I support KG and Sanctus.

And I know the KGB is really raking in the dough...I mean, Boo's and Mike's daughter's college educations are already paid for, all the dj's drive mercedes and they and their wives/girlfriends have all quit their day jobs.

glowbug.

Again, perhaps you should look past your blind dislike for an artist and actually pay attention to the music that's being described. I don't care if a song is performed by someone previously known for hip-hop, goth, darkwave, new age, alternative, country, or fucking polka, if they put out a tune that fits the mood, there should be nothing wrong with playing it during a "goth night".

Really? So your saying that it would be OK to play hiphop songs on "Goth Night".

No, because if it were hip-hop, then it wouldn't sound like "gothic music". I'm saying that if it sounds like "Goth", then it's "Goth". Period. It's not a very complicated concept to grasp.

Unless, of course, you're looking for some spiritual definition from the music which you listen to, in which case you'd better go listen to The Beatles. After all, look what they did for Charlie.

I know of several hiphop songs that have a dark mood to them. I wonder if those would get played or not. Kelis is a good example or DJ spooky. You may say nothing would be wrong with it but try it and see what the reaction will be.

If it's a good tune, I'd say people would love it. If it's the typical be-bopping shit you hear everyday, attendees would likely mob the DJ who unleashed the song to begin with..

Any genre of music can have some artist playing songs that have a dark mood to it. By just playing any artist, you let people think"hey If he played Garth Brooks maybe he'll play Billy Ray Cyrus." Like we need that shit.

Again, if the music sounds "gothic" ... it's "gothic", whether it's from Hated Musician "A", or it's coming from a tuba that's shoved up someone's ass.

Oh and I listen to all types of music(even stuff I hate except country).

And why would you listen to music that you hate?

So I am far from blind. As for limp biskit, they still suck and wesley was the only Non-Commercial person in that band. The rest are money grubbing whores. And i like songs with originality to them and I doubt Limp Biskit's Matrix song is original.

They could go out and drop agent orange on orphanages for all I care, if they make a solid track, I'll listen to it. The majority of what Limp Bizkit produces, I dislike. However, the same can be said for any number of bands. (Orgy, Peter Murphy, Electric HellFire Club, and Skinny Puppy all come to mind.)

Furthermore, I find it hilarious when people whine and complain about a song being "original". When a musician hears a song, a riff, or a bar that he or she likes, at the very least they're going to store that information in their head, and be somewhat influenced by that. That's how music evolves.

You want original? You'll have to go a lot farther back in your musical collection to find true originality in music. Like, maybe start with some Lavern Baker and work your way back from there.

Save it for your blog.

Darn, why are things so entertaining when we all argue?

Because I bring up Brian Boitano.

Balrog.

I would be old skool.

You should be very wary about the fine line between "old school" and simply "outdated".

Anytime you use a guitar you are using riffs blues already created.

Not quite. There's plenty of (in my opinion, badass) spanish / mexican fingering technique used today that had abso-fucking-lutely no blues influence at all. But the majority of music today does owe tribute to the blues; I'll definitely concede to that point.

whatever.

I had a nice long post in mind... however... the subject has been run into the ground. I'm going to refer back to my previous posts on this subject as I feel they say it all. Especially the one quoted from the other unrelated thread.

Thankyou.
Have a nice day.

whatever.

I would be old skool.

Define that.


I'm just curious as to your definition.

I dropped out in 8th grade.

OMMFG... Bitch much?!?!

Think much? Are you a Heather?

Hey, how about a different guest dj everytime?


Maybe balance or zeo would make people happier.

Happier?
Perhaps some. Apparently not the majority of those in the current "scene" here.
Only those who go out to hear music that has not been played out and over exposed.
The majority here does not. Everyone who goes out on a regular basis anymore wants to relive the last episode.
As Jack has pointed out, you don't have to dance to have a good time. If you do dance to newly played music, then bravo!
If you don't appreciate music that is true to the genre, then you are in the wrong subculture.

I concur with Tommy in that I don't find the humor in playing the monkey with the mispelled name at an established "gothic dance" night.
I don't belong in this place anymore.
ERASE me from this board.
Seeing as how it has become the circus it has here.
Please REMOVE me.

This is your goth topic watered down homogenized
Play-it-by-ear self serving bullshit.
A full dance floor to stroke your ego.
Voyeuristic masturbation observation
This orgy of sheep
Would you dance to the music you play?
Day by day?
I hope that they are happy. I hope that they are satisfied.
I hope they come back, I know they will.
After all,
It is too safe to dance.
Evolve.

FIN.

[Zeo]

[ophelia]

Zeo- Bravo! (applauding)

That brought tears to my eyes.

[Hardcoregirl]

Well, this was sort of fun to debate for a little while, but since I have a kid and two jobs, the "scene" or lack therof is sort of low on my list of priorities. I was sort of just trying to go with the "its better than nothing" arguement, although its probably not a good one. And I think our dj's are nice folks, so I hate for them to constantly get shafted. I'm really sort of burnt out on it all, and this whole arguing is kind of leaving a bad taste in my mouth for anything related to "goth." It certainly reminds me of why I got out of the scene for a while...I couldn't stand the "I'm darker and more tormented than you and am the love child of siouxsie and peter murphy, and my parents diapered me in fishnet" attitude.

I hope to see you all out somewhere, sometime, but more and more I find it more amusing to sit home with a book and listen to my pasturized processed dark and spooky music.

*sigh*

I'm gonna go to work now. I hope everyone has a nice day.

[JaNell]

Janell, I wouldn't call Led Zeppelin status quo. Would you?

"Old Skool" status quo - for those of us over 20.
LOL

[Jack]

The majority here does not. Everyone who goes out on a regular basis anymore wants to relive the last episode.

"This is the sixth time KnoxGothic has existed. It is now your destiny to return to The 80s and select 23 dancers to populate a new KGB."

"Whoah."

I know kung-fu.

[Nemesis]

[Arkady]

Well, looks like everyone has had ample time to discuss.

Say goodnight Gracie