Our Current Position... American Politics and History

CrimeCore · Post by **CrimeCore** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:11 pm

Trevor....

I'm sorry but the government laughs while the poor kill themselves on the streets. Gangs aren't really an issue. The government laughs while the poor kill themselves with guns. I'm sorry but the government isn't afraid of a puny ass .45.

They're right...the government works very fucken slow. They like to inch things along so the people like to think that's the direction the world's moving in. The government's actions cause citizens to believe in progress. and while the poor are killing each other and getting poorer and the rich are getting richer...I'd say the government is doing just fine.

An anarchist club meeting? I thought those were called Collectives....but I guess everything's different in Knoxvegas.

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:30 pm

People who shout "Anarchy!" in any political debate usually make me wonder if they simply can't think of anything to say, but feel that they have to say something.

Melicious Scam · Post by **Melicious Scam** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:38 pm

it wasn't intended to be an anarchist thread either was it?

nope, it was suppose to have been about your beliefs.

and being able to express your opinion about your beliefs and having a decussion about those beliefs.

but that is not what it turned out to be.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:42 pm

oh and guess what, there are many anarchists out there who aren't all athiest either. i am a pagan anarchist

super!!!

i reject all religion as much as i do government
they go hand in hand as much as people want to seperate them

following faith or government blindly
are one and the same

so like i said ten thousand posts ago on this subject
you can read about it
show me links about it
and try to rationalize it to yourselves all you want
(but really all i'm seeing is others that are like minded to your agenda that are also trying to rationalize it to themselves)

and please don't think i'm bashing you because of your motives
or your faith

i have a lot better things to do then try to convince a couple of kids i don't know
or care about
to atheists

Will everybody please shut up about anarchism! It sounds like a goddamn highschool in here!

i think that's pretty childish in and of it's self

there are a lot of mature and rational adults
that are anarchists
that don't go running around with circle a's tatted on their necks
with sub humans patches hanging off their asses as they smash up a mcdonalds or an suv dealership

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:34 pm

rec|use wrote:there are a lot of mature and rational adults
that are anarchists

Mature? Maybe. Rational? Uh. No.

Seriously. Anarchism is the least realistic worldview ever.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:40 pm

i don't think there is anything irrational or unrealistic
about a person wanting live his or her life freely
without the rules of church or state

paintedbird · Post by **paintedbird** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:43 pm

Nothing irrational about wanting it, but I think it's very unrealistic to think it could actually work or ever will happen. Therefore it's kind of a moot point. Besides, it's not like all laws are bad. Where would we be without laws against theft, murder, etc.? There will always be people who will try to screw others over-there are people who still do it even though it's illegal, how many more would do it if it weren't illegal? And how much more could the criminals get away with if they weren't caught and put in jail? Furthermore theres always going to be greedy people who want power and who will try to take over others. Even though our system's far from perfect, we're lucky to have a system that keeps them from doing it in a tyrannical way.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:55 pm

prehaps unrealistic to think that a whole nation would follow suite
i won't debate you on that
but it's not unrealistic at all for an individual
i live my life how i want every day
with no care or thought about church or state
of course i don't steal or kill people
those laws are laws of nature
that i was born with instinctually
i know the difference between what is genuinaly right and wrong
with out a book of laws
or a set of commandments to tell to do so
when things start getting written down
the interpertations of the authors orginal intent can be questioned and loopholed through out time

i know that i don't need to kill anyone
and i know that killing people is wrong
i don't need to steal
and i know that stealing is wrong

and i would know these things
wether the state or the church decided to make a law for it or not

the state does not represent me
therefore if it has nothing to contribute to me
i have nothing to contribute to it
the same goes for religion

so no
it's not unrealistic at all
it's a reality that some of us live every single day

paintedbird · Post by **paintedbird** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:07 pm

do you not work and pay taxes that go into things you use like public roads? do you observe traffic laws, rules, and guidelines? if the answer to either of those is yes, doesn't that kinda go against the idea of anarchy? And if you didn't live in the U.S. you might live somewhere else where the government makes it much more obvious that they do affect you. (btw my intention is not to attack you or anything, just to have a friendly debate.)

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:12 pm

Plus, there aren't laws against people being evil to each other in more subtle ways than murder or theft, and they do those things all the time. So I fail to see how it logically follows that the murder rate would be unchanged if there wasn't a law against it.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:17 pm

i don't think that stopping at a redlight goes against the principals of anarchy
i mean otherwise your just gonna get hit by on coming traffic
it's not about breaking the fucking rules just cuz you feel like

and my financial situation is not up for debate
but i work freelance
so taxes don't come out of my check

and i've never once in this thread or at any other point
said i was a full on anarchist
i would invite you to go back read the previous posts

i simply live my life the way i want
without interfereance
and without blind loyalty, support, or faith, in church or state

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:20 pm

So I fail to see how it logically follows that the murder rate would be unchanged if there wasn't a law against it.

i don't think anyone said the murder rate would change if there wasn't a law against it

CrimeCore · Post by **CrimeCore** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:25 pm

I'm not going to argue the social and economic effects of anarchism on here...if you would like to debate it please pm me and I'll be glad to have a debate there.

(by economic effects i mean trade and the transportation of goods...not money)

Nothing personal recluse...I'm sure your'e a cool person to hang out with...but I don't see blac bloc gear as being the kinda shit I'd wear everyday (i.e. a vinegar soaked bandanna so the tear gas won't hurt me as much. a book bag with rocks and zines and water and literature in it, and thick baggy clothing with a tight underlayer so that whatever liquids spill onto my body won't soak into the bottom layer of clothing...I don't think that would be comfy everyday wear...of course..unless you were homeless...then it would be completely understandable) I guess I'm pretty much asking what you mean by blac bloc gear...do you mean you're Crusty? whatever..that's not really important...but seriously people...if you're wanting to debate the social and economic effects of anarchism pm somebody..don't bring that shit up in here..that usually gets shit locked because people get fiesty.

and recluse is right..that shit about the traffic light? jesus christ...because I'm an anarchist doesn't mean i purposefully put my life and other's in danger..that's fucking rediculous..get your head out of your ass.

The word anarchy is completely overused by 15 year old mall kids.....that's why i started saying anarchism....it's more appropriate for my views.

once again..if you want to discuss the social and economic effects of anarchism...please fucking pm someone.

paintedbird · Post by **paintedbird** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:29 pm

rec|use wrote:i don't think that stopping at a redlight goes against the principals of anarchy
i mean otherwise your just gonna get hit by on coming traffic
it's not about breaking the fucking rules just cuz you feel like

and my financial situation is not up for debate
but i work freelance
so taxes don't come out of my check

and i've never once in this thread or at any other point
said i was a full on anarchist
i would invite you to go back read the previous posts

i simply live my life the way i want
without interfereance
and without blind loyalty, support, or faith, in church or state

I guess you didn't say you were a full on anarchist, and I apologize if I got too personal with the question of your finances. My point was just that I don't see how you can benefit from the government and still be an anarchist. I wasn't aware that anarchy could even be a strictly individual principle. Nor was i aware that the principle of not blindly following in and of itself made one an anarchist. If that's the case than I guess I would be an anarchist, but I certainly don't consider myself an anarchist.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:29 pm

don't see blac bloc gear as being the kinda shit I'd wear everyday

my post said that i wear it at some of my shows
as part of the performance

not everyday

except for the hoodie and the bag (which is filled with noise , not stone)

paintedbird · Post by **paintedbird** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:35 pm

CrimeCore wrote:
and recluse is right..that shit about the traffic light? jesus christ...because I'm an anarchist doesn't mean i purposefully put my life and other's in danger..that's fucking rediculous..get your head out of your ass.

The word anarchy is completely overused by 15 year old mall kids.....that's why i started saying anarchism....it's more appropriate for my views.

once again..if you want to discuss the social and economic effects of anarchism...please fucking pm someone.

you're the only one who i see getting nasty here. take your own advice. i wasnt being rude, at least cetainly not intentionally, but you are.
Notice I didn't say obey traffic lights specifically, i said traffic rules and regulations generally. the traffic light idea was mentioned by recluse. what I meant was, one could go over 5 miles an hour over the limit and it wouldnt be dangerous, but a cop could still pull you over, therefore i think one will abide by the law and pay the ticket (or avoid getting the ticket) or the consequences are gonna be worse. point being this person would be following the law set in place by the government. therefore its hard to be an anarchist in practice even if you value it theoretically.
also, painted lines for traffic lanes, street signs, and traffic lights are all a system of order put in place by the government and i thought anarchy was disorder, yet how would the world run if we didnt have some kind of order in place?

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:38 pm

Yeah, I mean, by that definition, everyone I know is an "anarchist"...

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:42 pm

Yeah, I mean, by that definition, everyone I know is an "anarchist"...

that's awesome but being facetious isn't helping your angle of it being irrational or unrealstic

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:23 pm

rec|use wrote:that's awesome but being facetious isn't helping your angle of it being irrational or unrealstic

I wasn't being sarcastic, I meant that by your definition of being an anarchist, literally everyone I know could be considered an "anarchist". So I have no problem with your version of "anarchy".

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:27 pm

sorry i was in defense mode

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