rec|use wrote:

To those of you that do care if you have Sanctus or not, SHOW IT. Otherwise, Bye Bye Sanctus.

this to me sounds like it's an obligation
combined with all the other
"support the scene" type posts

i'm not trying add fuel to anything

in fact i've provided a great deal of suggestions to keep your night
open
based my previous dj experience

Okay, yes, I did say that. I suppose that I should have clarified that I meant that if someone likes Sanctus than they might want to show up once in awhile. I DID NOT mean that if you care less, or you can not go because of responsibilities, that you should go anyway.

I can't go most of the time due to family responsibilities, and have only begun to go more lately, thanks to some kick-ass friends who are trying to see that I get out of the house more. So, I do understand why a lot of people can't go.

I've seen over the past 14 years or so the ebb and flow of this crowd. I understand the traffic patterns, and I was just hoping that if someone actually said what so many were thinking then we could do something about it. We get in this place where we say *I'm tired this week, I'll go next time* Because you think it's just going to be there waiting for you to come back. We've lost good nights that way.

I remember one night at Lava, Jason and Michael were DJing, and the only people there were me and Joshie (omegaduck). We had a blast on our own, but it was a pretty sad situation.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should have said anything. I didn't know that it would start up this shit storm that it has become. I'm also, due to the asshole, anonymous, e-mailer, beginning to wonder if I give a fuck anymore. Because, quite honestly, I don't want to hang out with people that do things like that. That might be naive of me, but I prefer to surround myself with good people.

please don't get me wrong
i'm not trying to start a shit storm
i'm simply saying
it should be up the people that throw this event
to provide the proper stimuli to attract the crowd


hence the suggestions i made


and the questions i asked regarding the promotion of the night

rec|use wrote:please don't get me wrong
i'm not trying to start a shit storm
i'm simply saying
it should be up the people that throw this event
to provide the proper stimuli to attract the crowd


hence the suggestions i made


and the questions i asked regarding the promotion of the night

You are right. It is up to us to promote things right and provide the reason to come out. And, blame does lie with the KGB in many areas for allowing stagnation. But again, wea are trying to change that. Is it to little to late? I suppose we'll find out.

well the point of my posts were not to place blame on anyone

but trying to provide some ideas that might help

rec|use wrote:well the point of my posts were not to place blame on anyone

but trying to provide some ideas that might help

And I have to say that it is appreciated.

rec|use wrote:please don't get me wrong
i'm not trying to start a shit storm
i'm simply saying
it should be up the people that throw this event
to provide the proper stimuli to attract the crowd


hence the suggestions i made


and the questions i asked regarding the promotion of the night

Didn't mean you. I like you. We've talked in the old chat, and I thought you were a nice guy. Suggestions are appreciated, thank you.

To other people, dragging in your same old shit arguments is not appreciated. If we wanted that kind of negativity we would've just come to your house and asked you what you thought.

Sooo, I kinda don't get it.

I see alot of refferences to people saying "support the scene or it will go away" type stuff. But what I don't understand is...if for some reason, Knoxville loses a goth night, it doesn't mean the whole scene ceases to exist...cause if that happens, wouldn't it make us all posers? I mean, do we stop being what we are just cause we can't go out and party on a certain night at a certain place? (Not that any of that has to do with anything...it was just me thinking.)

I will admit that I haven't attended Sanctus in a while, mostly due to the work situation. But even if I didn't work on Mondays, I still may not go. Nobody needs an excuse to go or not go. And nobody has obligations to go, either. However, I do think that changing Sanctus from a Sunday night (if at all possible) would probably help alot. It seems to me that's the biggest weak point, so far.

A lot of people keep bringi up Subnday as the biggest issue...and I have to disagree with that...I know quite a few people who have 9-5's and are out at the bar well until 2 am on a fucknig WEdnesday or Thursday...i think changing the night might help get a few people out...20 or less...but not the majority.

I know a few people that do that, too...and they are all in their 20's (mainly early 20's). And for ever person I know who can do that, I know about 10 that can't.

Coor wrote:A lot of people keep bringi up Subnday as the biggest issue...and I have to disagree with that...I know quite a few people who have 9-5's and are out at the bar well until 2 am on a fucknig WEdnesday or Thursday...i think changing the night might help get a few people out...20 or less...but not the majority.

well , its my biggest factor, and that of many of my friends to be honest
we arent 22 anymore

"20 or less" was meant as a number of people...not their age.

Coor wrote:"20 or less" was meant as a number of people...not their age.

i understand that, and disagree completely

look at temple, we are on a saturday night, and we do 90 when sanctus does 50, there is 40 people right there
i think if it were possible to have it on a friday or saturday then the numbers would go up greatly

my reference to not being 22 means i dont do the allnighters on work days anymore

tat2jay wrote:my reference to not being 22 means i dont do the allnighters on work days anymore

I have to agree with Jay. It's easier for me to get out on a Saturday night than on a Sunday and easier still to get out on Friday than Saturday. 6:00 am comes really early on Monday, even if you do bail at 1:00 am or so....

Sanctus is the place to see and be seen (if you want to be seen, that is). While I enjoy it immensely when I go, I can't afford to take the following Monday off every time so I can catch up on my beauty sleep. Perhaps a change of evening would allow more people to come.

Either way, I show up for Sanctus and Temple whenever I can, which isn't nearly often enough. I would truly hate to lose either night.

See, I think a lot of the TEMPLE crowd...and don't take offense to this...are the "I'm too cool for Santcus" kids. I'm only saying this, because I have invited people out from there, and that is pretty much the response I got. I know people who drive over an hour and a half to come to Santcus on Sunday...when they have to be at work at 9 am on Monday...so I don't think the day is the greatest feat. I mean shit...the best Goth nights in Ohio are on Thursadays. As one of the DJ's told me "Thursday is infamous in this town..." And their Saturday night was...well mildly pathetic....

Damn, now I miss Dayton

Knoxville's traditional goth nights have always been Thursday and Sunday.

But yes, we are getting older. I have to take the Monday after Sanctus off, and because of what I do, customers call me anyway.

And it is a real pain in the ass to work that Monday. But sometimes, even though I take it off, I can't avoid working.

I keep doing it because... well... I guess because I want it to be a good night.

We're all getting older. And a lot of us have day jobs now. And I feel bad asking you to come out on Sunday nights.

But that IS the night we have available at one of the best clubs in town. So, if you want it to continue, please come out.

rec|use wrote:why do the patrons NEED to do something
it's not their obligation to do anything
it's up to the club and it's promoters to bring people and provide entertainment
in exchange for money

You're right the patrons aren't obligated to do anything at all. However, if the patrons don't make their desires known (requests, etc.) then how can they expect anything to change? Its the patrons that tell the DJ what to play, whether they actively request songs or not....just by whether or not they are dancing, but it doesn't mean they should stop telling the DJ what they want.

I'll go further and say the patrons should be more active in their nights. Don't just go and expect everything to kick ass for you. Make your desires known to the event holders. If you cut off that avenue of communication between patrons and event-holders, then you are cutting off a valuable source of ideas for the direction the night needs to move.

Salvation, here in N'ville has run EVERY Sunday night for the past 4 years (before that, the Sunday night was held at another club, under another name). Our attendance is for the most part really good. We've had Saturday night events and Friday night events (both at other clubs in town) but the attendance at these functions on better weekend nights has never really matched the attendance at Salvation and those other nights no longer exist. Sure there are some people that cannot make it to Sunday night events, but there are other people out there that CAN come on Sundays. You just have to find them.

So why is our attendance good on a Sunday night? If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say its because whenever our patrons tell us what they want, we do our best to listen, and we have special events at least every other month or so.....and drink specials. The DJs have already stated that they are working on new stuff for the night, so all that's left is to get the patrons involved. Sure, they can be apathetic and just show up and bitch when they don't like it if they want, but that doesn't really help anything does it? Getting the patrons more involved means a better night, a more fun night for EVERYONE, more stability for the future of said night, a stronger willingness for the patrons to attend the night, and less worry for the event holders.

So, again....I'll say it. If you want something to change for your night, tell the DJs ASAP rather than waiting until someone gets fed up and makes a post and then it becomes this thread. You'll see things change for the better, faster. The DJs are listening (and watching, so keep dancing ).

Nephilim wrote:

rec|use wrote:why do the patrons NEED to do something
it's not their obligation to do anything
it's up to the club and it's promoters to bring people and provide entertainment
in exchange for money

You're right the patrons aren't obligated to do anything at all. However, if the patrons don't make their desires know (requests, etc.) then how can they expect anything to change? Its the patrons that tell the DJ what to play, whether they actively request songs or not....just by whether or not they are dancing, but it doesn't mean they should stop telling the DJ what they want.

I'll go further and say the patrons should be more active in their nights. Don't just go and expect everything to kick ass for you. Make your desires known to the event holders. If you cut off that avenue of communication between patrons and event-holders, then you are cutting off a valuable source of ideas for the direction the night needs to move.

Salvation, here in N'ville has run EVERY Sunday night for the past 4 years (before that, the Sunday night was held at another club, under another name). Our attendance is for the most part really good. We've had Saturday night events and Friday night events (both at other clubs in town) but the attendance at these functions on better weekend nights has never really matched the attendance at Salvation and those other nights no longer exist. Sure there are some people that cannot make it to Sunday night events, but there are other people out there that CAN come on Sundays. You just have to find them.

So why is our attendance good on a Sunday night? If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say its because whenever our patrons tell us what they want, we do our best to listen, and we have special events at least every other month or so.....and drink specials. The DJs have already stated that they are working on new stuff for the night, so all that's left is to get the patrons involved. Sure, they can be apathetic and just show up and bitch when they don't like it if they want, but that doesn't really help anything does it? Getting the patrons more involved means a better night, a more fun night for EVERYONE, more stability for the future of said night, a stronger willingness for the patrons to attend the night, and less worry for the event holders.

So, again....I'll say it. If you want something to change for your night, tell the DJs ASAP rather than waiting until someone gets fed up and makes a post and then it becomes this thread. You'll see things change for the better, faster. The DJs are listening (and watching, so keep dancing ).

i am going to agree with you 1000% here
temple is only a little over a year old, but we have grown a lot in that year and i must say that a big key to that is getting the people involved in whats going on - we even let them dj - they vote on special events, how they should be run, what types of special events, theme nights, etc etc - seems to be working very well for us - we have always refered to temple as a night of the people

sanctus is set up a bit differently than temple , and for good reason, i think they are opening the doors to suggestion now and thats a step in the right direction

i keep seeing this, i gotta comment or its gonna make my asshole explode.

ummmmmmm if you gotta work and you wanna go.........
how about.........
A) not getting hammered
and
B) not staying till it closes.

in the words of carlos mencia.........

you can have fun with out drinking (ive recently discovered.... haha)
and you dont gotta be there till 3 am.
matter of fact, if you dont do that everytime you go out, you get varied experiences and have more fun........?
just a thought.

junkie christ wrote:i keep seeing this, i gotta comment or its gonna make my asshole explode.

ummmmmmm if you gotta work and you wanna go.........
how about.........
A) not getting hammered
and
B) not staying till it closes.

in the words of carlos mencia.........

you can have fun with out drinking (ive recently discovered.... haha)
and you dont gotta be there till 3 am.
matter of fact, if you dont do that everytime you go out, you get varied experiences and have more fun........?
just a thought.

Well, here's how I look at it...I have to get up at 6 so I need to be in bed at 10 to get a good nights sleep. Factor in an hour to get ready and 30 min drive there and back and it just doesn't make it worth it. Most people don't seem to get there til around 12 anyways....

Perhaps once I move to Ktown it'll be easier, oh yeah and thats if I have a sitter...

rec|use wrote:also

not everyone goes out to dance
so maybe the focus shouldn't be how many people are dancing to

new song a
or old song b

but how many people are paying to come in the door
and how many people are buying drinks

I've been saying that for like four years now. I don't think anyone will ever agree that it's a valid argument.

But, it's nice to know we agree on some things.

PS1 - Karla, if your comment about "same old shit arguments" in any way referred to me, this is me making my "I thought you liked me" face.

PS2 - JC is right. You don't have to get totally drunk and instead of everyone showing up at 12 and staying til 3, people could start showing up at 10 and if you have to work in the morning leave at 1.

PS3 - Morgan, you're a wimp. I'm older than you and even I don't consider 8 hours a "good night's sleep". People can function on 4 or 5 hours just fine. In fact, it's been demonstrated that sleeping more than 6 hours is more likely to make you feel worse than sleeping 9 or more, unless your job is digging ditches in Panama or something.

PS4 - Don't get testy because I called you a wimp, I'm kidding. But I'm also serious that the "I must sleep 8 hours!" thing is way over-used. I work at 8 in the morning and never go to bed before midnight; usually I go to bed at 1 or 2, and sometimes at 4 or 5. In fact, I only got an hour and a half of sleep this morning, yet I performed just peachy at a job that demands fast movement, attention to detail, staying on my feet, and not getting a break, AKA "Being a chef." And I'm 30 for crying out loud! Those of you younguns who can't manage to make it to work on low sleep a mere once a month must be eating poorly. Remember, darkness and despair don't have any nutritional value.