Asher wrote:thats what doesnt even make sense to me..to say that the examples like this chick person..is "extreme christianity"..that would mean what..that in its tempered form its only a little bit hateful?

no. extreme christianity is when someone takes christianity to an extreme. they have taken it to a point where it becomes evil and hatred.

Asher wrote:As opposed to the full blown ugliness that gets spilled out by some 'christians'? Oy..i dont want to spurn a debate or anything but my understanding of the faith i practice is one of love..in its extreme form i suppose i would drive you all crazy with wonderous acts of selflessness..extreme christianity would be loving like Jesus did..without apology and without restraint.!

This is not called "extreme christianity" because this is what any real christian is supposed to sustain to anyway. it is the set standard by jesus. so it is simply "christianity".

i actually used to be a christian went to Maryville College. then i changed my mind. i was raised an the old testimanta and I did not celebrate christmas, ester, halloween, or any of those holidays. I cebrated the feast of tabernacles, days of unleavened bread, pentacost and other holidays in the old testement. I did not eat unclean meats, such as fish without scales, pigs, shrimp, and others.

Asher wrote:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0999/cotton.html

OK I read this, & thought...'Are they serious?'...& then I got to the end...& they completely made it worth reading...& I quote...

"Due to the nature of this event, the roasting of hot dogs will be prohibited for obvious reasons."


I really hope they get the joke too...

Karma - I was raised atheist. I changed my mind too.

AXSaint - I thought they were serious the first time i read it too..but the entire site is a parody..very funny stuff.

I know many of you who have been on here a while have seen this one before... but in light of this thread I have to post my favorite Chick Tract Parody Darque Dungeon.

Fucking love that one! Always makes me smile. Favorite lines:

She must never discover that I'm a trance fan and
Roll saving throw against BEATDOWN

Onibubba wrote:... Favorite lines:

She must never discover that I'm a trance fan and
Roll saving throw against BEATDOWN

heh mine:

"Ugh, Fuck that techno shit! That shits not GOTH! I like my music Hard and Dark, like my soul!"

"Think the DJ will let me request Headhunter?" "Yeah, he will, if you put out. I'll beat you to it"

karmakaze wrote:
i actually used to be a christian went to Maryville College. then i changed my mind. i was raised an the old testimanta and I did not celebrate christmas, ester, halloween, or any of those holidays. I cebrated the feast of tabernacles, days of unleavened bread, pentacost and other holidays in the old testement. I did not eat unclean meats, such as fish without scales, pigs, shrimp, and others.

Hey!! That's the kind of curch i grew up in!!! My parents go to the feast of tabernacles every year. What church did you go to? I'm curious.

Here is proof that a Christian fundamentalist is every bit as dangerous as a Muslim fundamentalist, or hell, any other kind of fundamentalist.

When you take everything at face value, you turn it, and yourself, into a vile plague that's just as likely to kill you from the inside out as anyone else around you.

Thoughts are to be thought, beliefs are to be speculated upon. Free will, whether god-given or naturally inherent is within each human for a reason. Be that reason survival and reproduction, or to perfect one's soul is entirely up to the individual. But regardless of what path a person chooses, of what religion they adhere to, they still have a choice as to whether they follow the literal line, and possibly fall off a cliff - ever play Lemmings? If you have, you'd get the picture - or to use their own powers of deduction to decide for themselves what is the best and most logical way to lead their lives.

No, I'm not Christian. I'm not Muslim. But I'll respect a Christian or a Muslim or somebody who fucking worships Santa Claus ( a Santologist, if you will ) as long as they don't decide that my own beliefs aren't worthy of the respect that I would give theirs.

Put bluntly, Fundamentalism is dangerous. If I have ever had a prejudice, it would be against that. Primarily because I am, admittedly, prejudiced against idiots. And anyone who can take a person's life because they don't follow the same path in life is, to me, an idiot.

At any rate, there's my two pieces of silver. Agree with it, learn from it, or choke on it. I really don't care.

"fundamental" let's examine the word:

fund: to give money in support of

amental: without thought or rational process of mind

so there you have it

Scorptrio wrote:"fundamental" let's examine the word:

fund: to give money in support of

amental: without thought or rational process of mind

so there you have it

Well said.

And thankies for the "Darque Dungeon" thingy.

Wow this is scary stuff ...

Just to let you all know, I was raised Southern Baptist, then began to question the religion at the early age of 6 years old. I was a freethinker even then, I questioned how God could be a Trinity if it was supposed to be monotheish ... or how God could send people to hell simply because of their religion. I still maintain to this day that Jesus was not a God, but a person who tried to teach a heretic form of Judaism, one which included everyone, the poor, the lame, the sick, not just the children of Israel. For this, he was executed by the people in power. Jesus was a liberal!

At age 20 a girlfriend introduced me to Wiccan beliefs, and I experienced a Metropolitan Community Church (A Trinitarian Christian church which was accepting of GLBT people) ...

And this year, I discovered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist church, and have been a UU ever since ... because I see that all beliefs have merit, and no one single belief or doctrine is superior to a human life.


Going back to Jack Chick, he's forgotten two basic things:

* Christianity and Islam and Judaism all stem from the same source: Abraham in the old testament. Abraham has several wives and concubines, as did Mohammed. That argument holds no water.

* Islam had pagan beginnings? What about Christianity? There were SEVERAL pagan religions which celebrated a "virgin birth" on or around December 25, Trinitarian Christianity just happens to be the latest of these. Just ask Jehovah's Witnesses why they don't celebrate Christmas. The Virgin Mary is about as close an image of the Goddess as you can get in the Christian religion.

Just to be fair, I am not knocking Paganism (I consider myself a Pagan at heart) but I don't like the way Jack Chick trashes it to propogate his narrow minded views.

Excellent point, Synth, but remember, these guys are blatant hypocrites. My #1 example is that one anti-fag pamphlet for kids. "God HATES gays" my ass. I thought your god was all-loving.

Lovin' the sig, BTW.

B_Ko wrote:Excellent point, Synth, but remember, these guys are blatant hypocrites. My #1 example is that one anti-fag pamphlet for kids. "God HATES gays" my ass. I thought your god was all-loving.

Indeed. But which God is that?

There's the loving, benevolent God as presented by Jesus in the New testament, and there's Yahweh, the angry, vengeful, jealous God we all know and love from the Old Testament (especially the first five books of Moses).

Just an example of Yahweh's lovely disposition: He sent a plague on the Children of Israel in the book of Numbers, seems these Israelites angered Yahweh by marrying Moabites, and worshipping Moabite gods. 20,000 died in a plague, and Moses was commanded to hang the heads of these 20,000 on pikes up against the Sun, to turn Yahweh's anger away from the people of Israel.


Also, in the book of Deuteronomy, the Israelites carried out a war of extermination against the Canaanites, and whoever else happened to be unlucky enough to be living in the land Yahweh promised the Israelites. This included killing women and children as well. This verse clearly illustrates what I'm talking about.

Phinheas, the grandson of Moses, put a spear through an Israeli and his Midianite wife, and was rewarded by Yahweh by being made into one of Yahweh's high priests, as expressed here

Now as to how this applies to modern-day Christian Fundamentalism: Yahweh is the God these people believe in ... They take this stuff SERIOUSLY! They believe America to be God's Chosen People and it's their duty to turn our government into a Christian Theocracy. Some like Gary North have even advocated a return to the Biblical punishment of stoning for people who break moral laws. They see it as their responsibility to turn Yahweh's anger away from an America they see as being immoral.

They also want to help the Israeli Jews get in possession of all the lands promised to them by Yahweh (including the west bank, the golan heights, and Syria). They believe that when this happens, the Second Coming of Christ will occur and then these Jews will be converted to Christianity. Funny eh, they support the Jews, only to exterminate them by mass conversion in the End Days.

It really helps you to be on our guard if you know how these Fundy types think. There was a sermon given at my Unitarian Church this past Halloween, about this very subject. I've got the text for this handy on my hard drive if anyone here wants to read it, let me know ... it's really scary stuff. I hope NONE of this ever comes about, or else I am moving to New Zealand.

Synthpopalooza wrote:There was a sermon given at my Unitarian Church this past Halloween, about this very subject. I've got the text for this handy on my hard drive if anyone here wants to read it, let me know

I want a copy. PM me with info, please.

Vachy wrote:...

Religion is evil.

I fixed that for you.

Ok folks ...

http://www.twothousandbc.com/sermon.doc

Grab it, read it ... and be very scared.

What's an atheist's intellectual property got to do with Satanism? The very basic dichotomy that the two godlike characters could be misconstrued into the god and goddess or any number of religious figures that bring balance to the followers life...we've already got enough "satanic scare" to last us till Leviathan turns out to be the loch ness monster.....this is a great example of LaVey talking about gaining power without effort...anyways pretty dumb shit...and fucking funny to boot...

B_Ko wrote:Lovin' the sig, BTW.

You changed your sig and i don't remember what it was before. Please remind me.

I will simply say that for 12 years, i was a brain-washed, independent, fundy wife of a Baptist preacher.....according to my FORMER sect....the Southtern Baptist were tooo fucking liberal. No, i'm not taking any sides on any of it....all i can say is that i have been there.....be AFRAID.....BE VERY AFRAID!!!!!! The end is coming and it is the fundy's that are gonna have control.....like it or not.....i have experienced all this shit firsthand.....all i can say is prepare yourself for the NEW inquisition.

that scares me..and i'm a believer. Course i'd probably be given a particularly painful death for being a 'blasphemer'. I have been called that many a time before because i have the nerve to 'look like a sinner' and love people outside of church..course this is always said by strangers who get pissed over me wearing my "Jesus loves me and my tattoos" t-shirt..i cant even fathom how much worse its going to get. Well..maybe i can because i have a pretty demented imagination..but i digress. One thing i never saw before i moved to tennessee was those hats and t-shirts some people wear that says something like.."king james version is the only version" wtf? that's thier message to the world? not "there is a hope" or.."love one another" but..a version of the bible?? That just blew me away..still does i guess.