Though I do agree that a book itself is nothing to be afraid of, I can see why the knowledge and history it contains might be intimidating. And I think some people might have been a little harsh to Frostmourne...

I believe that long ago things now deemed "paranormal" or "supernatural" were simply a part of life. I believe that the Necronomicon is a history book, written with help from sources now ignored. I believe the Bible, the Torah, the Talmud, the Qur'an, the epic of Gilgamesh, the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc were also written in a similar way. But these books, because they are either part of a religion or were found by archaeologists, are taken seriously while the Necronomicon is not. It also helps that a popular fiction writer didn't adapt them. (If Oscar Wilde had rewritten the Book of Revelations, how many people would it intimidate now?)

One particular part of the article interested me:

It is abundantly clear that Alhazred elaborated upon existing traditions of the "Old Ones", and he did not invent these traditions. According to Alhazred, the Old Ones were beings from "beyond the spheres", presumably the spheres of the planets, and in the cosmography of that period this would imply the region of the fixed stars or beyond. They were superhuman and extrahuman. They mated with humans and begat monstrous offspring. They passed forbidden knowledge to humankind. They were forever seeking a channel into our plane of existence.

This is virtually identical to the Jewish tradition of the Nephilim (the giants of Genesis 6.2 - 6.5). The word literally means "the Fallen Ones" and is derived from the Hebrew verb root naphal, to fall. The story in Genesis is only a fragment of a larger tradition, another piece of which can be found in the apocryphal Book of Enoch. According to this source, a group of angels sent to watch over the Earth saw the daughters of men and lusted after them. Unwilling to act individually, they swore an oath and bound themselves together, and two hundred of these "Watchers" descended to earth and took themselves wives. Their wives bore giant offspring. The giants turned against nature and began to "sin against birds and beasts and reptiles and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood". The fallen angels taught how to make weapons of war, and jewellery, and cosmetics, and enchantments, and astrology, and other secrets.

This sounds really familiar- has anyone else read Erich Von Danikan's "Chariots of the Gods"? It's a book full of evidence that in ancient history, human kind was visited, assisted, and educated by extraterestrials. And this guy isn't on crack, the book is very well written and his beliefs are supported by an amazing amount of facts (including ones from aforementioned religious and historical texts...) and stunning pictures. I recomend this book to anyone (in fact, my copy is being borrowed right now) but especially if you find this interesting and are willing to consider different theories instead of instantly dismissing them.

I would love to discuss all of this with anyone interested. I would not love to hear a page of replies that I am retarded and easily swayed by bullshit.

...point is to perhaps be a little more open minded?

Vachy wrote:Though I do agree that a book itself is nothing to be afraid of, I can see why the knowledge and history it contains might be intimidating. And I think some people might have been a little harsh to Frostmourne...

I believe that long ago things now deemed "paranormal" or "supernatural" were simply a part of life. I believe that the Necronomicon is a history book, written with help from sources now ignored. I believe the Bible, the Torah, the Talmud, the Qur'an, the epic of Gilgamesh, the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc were also written in a similar way. But these books, because they are either part of a religion or were found by archaeologists, are taken seriously while the Necronomicon is not. It also helps that a popular fiction writer didn't adapt them. (If Oscar Wilde had rewritten the Book of Revelations, how many people would it intimidate now?)

One particular part of the article interested me:

It is abundantly clear that Alhazred elaborated upon existing traditions of the "Old Ones", and he did not invent these traditions. According to Alhazred, the Old Ones were beings from "beyond the spheres", presumably the spheres of the planets, and in the cosmography of that period this would imply the region of the fixed stars or beyond. They were superhuman and extrahuman. They mated with humans and begat monstrous offspring. They passed forbidden knowledge to humankind. They were forever seeking a channel into our plane of existence.

This is virtually identical to the Jewish tradition of the Nephilim (the giants of Genesis 6.2 - 6.5). The word literally means "the Fallen Ones" and is derived from the Hebrew verb root naphal, to fall. The story in Genesis is only a fragment of a larger tradition, another piece of which can be found in the apocryphal Book of Enoch. According to this source, a group of angels sent to watch over the Earth saw the daughters of men and lusted after them. Unwilling to act individually, they swore an oath and bound themselves together, and two hundred of these "Watchers" descended to earth and took themselves wives. Their wives bore giant offspring. The giants turned against nature and began to "sin against birds and beasts and reptiles and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood". The fallen angels taught how to make weapons of war, and jewellery, and cosmetics, and enchantments, and astrology, and other secrets.

This sounds really familiar- has anyone else read Erich Von Danikan's "Chariots of the Gods"? It's a book full of evidence that in ancient history, human kind was visited, assisted, and educated by extraterestrials. And this guy isn't on crack, the book is very well written and his beliefs are supported by an amazing amount of facts (including ones from aforementioned religious and historical texts...) and stunning pictures. I recomend this book to anyone (in fact, my copy is being borrowed right now) but especially if you find this interesting and are willing to consider different theories instead of instantly dismissing them.

I would love to discuss all of this with anyone interested. I would not love to hear a page of replies that I am retarded and easily swayed by bullshit.

...point is to perhaps be a little more open minded?

Honey, um....
Junkie, bless his evil and wiley mind, is right. The "Necronomicon" is first mentioned by HP Lovecraft because he made it up.
Later some people faked an "ancient" book called that.
It's a great in-joke amongst SF & Horror people, like the bet L. Ron Hubbard made with Heinlein about writing a book with a religion so believable that people would follow it in real life. *cough Scientology cough*

Wait wasn't it shit like that, that started Wicca?...Falsified ideas, bastardized into a religious philosophy...Deluded quickly into society...Then based as fact among a minority...?...OK?

Plus, you guys are being really harsh on Frost...I mean...WTF?...What could have been an actual, intellegent thread...turned into the majority of you slapping Frost in the face...Just to clairify...The 'Necronomicon' is real...It's sitting in the archilogical store room of the Smithsonian Institute...Though, from what I know of it...It's not wrapped in human flesh, nor is it a book of ancient evil...It's a collection of ancient religious text...Which include the rituals once preformed...Hince, a logical start for 'The Book of the Dead'...If you want a scary book...What about 'Teen Witch'?

Jinkies...BTW, Call of Chuthulu is one of my favorite RPG's...!

4X541N7 wrote:Just to clairify...The 'Necronomicon' is real...It's sitting in the archilogical store room of the Smithsonian Institute...

Wouldn't the box have burned up by now?
Although, it might explain all the zombies in Washington...

Oh, BTW, "Frost" is Silver Frost. I got confused and wondered, "where did Frost post in this thread?!"

If I in anyway slapped Frostmourne in the face verbally, I apologize. I think Tracey is awesome.

4X541N7 wrote:
Plus, you guys are being really harsh on Frost...I mean...WTF?...What could have been an actual, intellegent thread...turned into the majority of you slapping Frost in the face...Just to clairify...The 'Necronomicon' is real...It's sitting in the archilogical store room of the Smithsonian Institute...Though, from what I know of it...It's not wrapped in human flesh, nor is it a book of ancient evil...It's a collection of ancient religious text...Which include the rituals once preformed...Hince, a logical start for 'The Book of the Dead'...If you want a scary book...What about 'Teen Witch'?

Jinkies...BTW, Call of Chuthulu is one of my favorite RPG's...!

Though the smithsonian may have ancient religious texts, I seriously don't believe they have the mythical book Lovecraft came up with because, ITS NOT REAL. Why do you think it is there, did you read it on the internet or in the national enquirer?

As an archaeologist, I'd be interested in seeing your argument with supporting facts on why you think it exists. I mean, I could make a necronomicon for you if you really want one to exist so bad...

This thread never had a hope of being intellectual, sorry but its just plain stupid. Its only saving grace may be to teach some people some reality and turn them on to the genius that was H.P. Lovecraft.

Here are some links provided by mafiaman on his blog:

A study of the cultural phenomenon that is The Necronomicon, and its many derivations:

http://www.necfiles.org/

HP Lovecraft and The Necronomicon, the Final Thoughts section is the best:

http://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/necron/

The entire HP Lovecraft Archive is a great resource for the horror genre enthusiast, I highly recommend that people read it. It truly shows what a great impact true talent can have on a medium, although the fact that people today believe in a literary prop created over 80 years ago should be enough evidence:

http://www.hplovecraft.com/

Buttercup wrote:
This thread never had a hope of being intellectual, sorry but its just plain stupid. Its only saving grace may be to teach some people some reality and turn them on to the genius that was H.P. Lovecraft.

I personally belive that the necronomicon is H.P. Lovecafts greatest work but, that doen't mean that I am going to insult the intelligence of someone who doesn't have the info that I looked for. I used to read quite a bit of Lovecraft and Poe. I stopped only because I couldn't find anything new. That is the problem with dead authors I guess. Anyway, I guess the point I am trying to make is that just because someone hasn't read what you have doesn't mean insult them. If they ask a question, and you have the answer, wouldn't it stand to reason that you give them the answer without being insulting. Sarcasim doesn't really translate very well into text.

Mercurygriffin wrote:

Buttercup wrote:
This thread never had a hope of being intellectual, sorry but its just plain stupid. Its only saving grace may be to teach some people some reality and turn them on to the genius that was H.P. Lovecraft.

I personally belive that the necronomicon is H.P. Lovecafts greatest work but, that doen't mean that I am going to insult the intelligence of someone who doesn't have the info that I looked for. I used to read quite a bit of Lovecraft and Poe. I stopped only because I couldn't find anything new. That is the problem with dead authors I guess. Anyway, I guess the point I am trying to make is that just because someone hasn't read what you have doesn't mean insult them. If they ask a question, and you have the answer, wouldn't it stand to reason that you give them the answer without being insulting. Sarcasim doesn't really translate very well into text.

Hey I never meant to insult anyone's intelligence by a thread they started. I'm sorry, thinking its real is absolutely ignorant in my opinion, but that doesn't mean that a person IS ignorant. I'm sure I've made some stupid threads myself...it doesn't have anything to do with having read anything, in my opinion, fearing a BOOK because of something you read on the internet is just plain silly. As Ben said, I think people have only insulted their own intelligence by their actions. But we all do stupid things sometimes, I'm not gonna hold it against someone. Then again its not my job to massage anyones ego or wipe away their tears.

I still can't believe you people ever expect me to be less than honest or anyone other than myself...

I'd like everyone to read, "the demon haunted world : science as a candle in the dark" by Carl Sagan, its a great book on "baloney detection".

I also wanted to add that when it comes to matters of the supernatural, I believe if you want to believe and want to experience such, it will happen. Having done drugs or not doesn't matter, people will see what they want to see. I've done plenty and I have never seen any evidence of anything supernatural.

Buttercup wrote:

4X541N7 wrote:
Plus, you guys are being really harsh on Frost...I mean...WTF?...What could have been an actual, intellegent thread...turned into the majority of you slapping Frost in the face...Just to clairify...The 'Necronomicon' is real...It's sitting in the archilogical store room of the Smithsonian Institute...Though, from what I know of it...It's not wrapped in human flesh, nor is it a book of ancient evil...It's a collection of ancient religious text...Which include the rituals once preformed...Hince, a logical start for 'The Book of the Dead'...If you want a scary book...What about 'Teen Witch'?

Jinkies...BTW, Call of Chuthulu is one of my favorite RPG's...!

Though the smithsonian may have ancient religious texts, I seriously don't believe they have the mythical book Lovecraft came up with because, ITS NOT REAL. Why do you think it is there, did you read it on the internet or in the national enquirer?

As an archaeologist, I'd be interested in seeing your argument with supporting facts on why you think it exists. I mean, I could make a necronomicon for you if you really want one to exist so bad...

What I was saying is that the text of which Lovecraft derived the idea for the Necronomicon...Is sitting in the Smithsonian Institute*...It's not THE Necronomicon of legend, mind you...But the basis is real...Therefore, the idea is real...This goes for about every philisophical venture...Hell, half the religions in the world have a factual 'basis'...That doesn't mean that the whole gawddamned text on it, or the legends around it are fact...Moses of The Bible wrote down in detail the first days of the world...Literally...The First Six!...He also foretold his own death...Does that mean it's true...?...Maybe...But how would we know?...All I'm saying is not that The Necronomicon of legend is real...But the correspondence point for it is...

*Source: The Smithsonian Archive*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necronomicon

I love wikipedia

Nice quotes by Sagan I loved that guy,and he stayed true to his beliefs til' the end

If it's real "interesting" literature your looking for, may I suggest (translations by Mathers) The Key of Soloman the King, and a similar piece of work called The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage(a german jew from the 1300's,whose name gave life to abracadabra,and went on to save the lives of quite a few of europe's leaders at the time).
Also The Book of Law is a goood read (Crowley pretty much ripped off everything Abramelin did)"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law",loosely translated one must do what they must.On a funny note Crowley's mother would always call him beast in public instead of Aleister or Al .
Or if your not interested in any of the above try the bible It's a heartwarming and often touching story of a desert war god and his angels who like to dip their wings in blood .

mehem wrote: Also The Book of Law is a goood read (Crowley pretty much ripped off everything Abramelin did)"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law",loosely translated one must do what they must.On a funny note Crowley's mother would always call him beast in public instead of Aleister or Al

Crowley was a quack...Almost everything thing he wrote was ripped off of someone else...If you look hard enough...You can find the ideas, that he claims...Aleister Crowley was the original 'Shock-Star'...

mehem wrote:
Or if your not interested in any of the above try the bible It's a heartwarming and often touching story of a desert war god and his angels who like to dip their wings in blood .

LMFAO...

mehem wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necronomicon

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Or if your not interested in any of the above try the bible It's a heartwarming and often touching story of a desert war god and his angels who like to dip their wings in blood .

I like the part where you have to put blood on your doorway or god will kill your firstborn...

LOL, " Necrotelecomnicon (the book of phone numbers of the dead." That is priceless.

mehem wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necronomicon

I love wikipedia

Nice quotes by Sagan I loved that guy,and he stayed true to his beliefs til' the end

If it's real "interesting" literature your looking for, may I suggest (translations by Mathers) The Key of Soloman the King, and a similar piece of work called The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage(a german jew from the 1300's,whose name gave life to abracadabra,and went on to save the lives of quite a few of europe's leaders at the time).
Also The Book of Law is a goood read (Crowley pretty much ripped off everything Abramelin did)"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law",loosely translated one must do what they must.On a funny note Crowley's mother would always call him beast in public instead of Aleister or Al .
Or if your not interested in any of the above try the bible It's a heartwarming and often touching story of a desert war god and his angels who like to dip their wings in blood .

I find al lot of "real interesting" literature here
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

Jason and I have been all over this thing lately. They even have The Malleus Maleficarum, the witch hunter's manual. You name it, it's on there. I've been trying to get through Aradia, Gospel of The Witches for a couple of months now.

karlaBOO wrote:

mehem wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necronomicon

I love wikipedia

Nice quotes by Sagan I loved that guy,and he stayed true to his beliefs til' the end

If it's real "interesting" literature your looking for, may I suggest (translations by Mathers) The Key of Soloman the King, and a similar piece of work called The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage(a german jew from the 1300's,whose name gave life to abracadabra,and went on to save the lives of quite a few of europe's leaders at the time).
Also The Book of Law is a goood read (Crowley pretty much ripped off everything Abramelin did)"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law",loosely translated one must do what they must.On a funny note Crowley's mother would always call him beast in public instead of Aleister or Al .
Or if your not interested in any of the above try the bible It's a heartwarming and often touching story of a desert war god and his angels who like to dip their wings in blood .

I find al lot of "real interesting" literature here
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

Jason and I have been all over this thing lately. They even have The Malleus Maleficarum, the witch hunter's manual. You name it, it's on there. I've been trying to get through Aradia, Gospel of The Witches for a couple of months now.

thank you for the link!!! Mathers the guy i spoke of earlier has done a lot of translation work,also Raymond Buckland and Rosemary Guiley have done really nice histories about witchcraft and such.I'll talk to some other freaks about where I might find Aradia,I thought it was going to be hard to find a real version of the Key of Soloman,but I had pretty good luck finding it. I'll let you know if I find anything,cheers.

Um..Yea...H.P. Lovecraft.

Though, I Do like your CyberMan Icon Frostmourne.

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I find al lot of "real interesting" literature here
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

Jason and I have been all over this thing lately. They even have The Malleus Maleficarum, the witch hunter's manual. You name it, it's on there. I've been trying to get through Aradia, Gospel of The Witches for a couple of months now.[/quote]


thanks so much! this will keep me busy for days!!!

this just goes to show that the sooner i start my religion based on the lyrics of irish drinking songs the better it will be for all of us.

that is all

"and he sayith unto them 'Whack fol the dah now dance to yer partner around the flure yer trotters shake
Wasn't it the truth I told you? Lots of fun at Finnegan's Wake'
and the people did rejoice in the joy of guinness and jamison"

OmeGaDucK wrote:Um..Yea...H.P. Lovecraft.

Though, I Do like your CyberMan Icon Frostmourne.

Thanks!!!

mehem wrote:
thank you for the link!!! Mathers the guy i spoke of earlier has done a lot of translation work,also Raymond Buckland and Rosemary Guiley have done really nice histories about witchcraft and such.I'll talk to some other freaks about where I might find Aradia,I thought it was going to be hard to find a real version of the Key of Soloman,but I had pretty good luck finding it. I'll let you know if I find anything,cheers.

I meant that I've been reading Aradia at the sacred texts site for months now. But, thanks.

I meant that I've been reading Aradia at the sacred texts site for months now. But, thanks.[/quote]

caught that a little later,thanks again