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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:12 pm
by Bigun
iblis wrote:
Zeo wrote:As far as U.T. football is concerned, I personally think Knoxville would be a better place if Neyland Stadium burned to the ground. If you aren't a football fan and you have to deal with game day traffic in Knoxville, I'm sure you know where I'm coming from.
People are fucking fanatical over the shit, and it's ridiculous. In my experience it would seem a lot of the fans are ignorant, shallow, and extremely under cultured. If the Vols lose a game, that is all you are going to hear from them all week.
Any game they play I hope they lose. Maybe if a few years go by where they totally suck people will lose interest and hop off the bandwagon and find something else to do.

right. they'll just switch to cheering on the titans.


Like a crackhead to meth.....

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:20 pm
by Coor
iblis wrote:
Coor wrote:
Silent Huntress wrote:I do participate in martial arts, specifically Kung Fu, but can you really consider it a sport? There are tournaments, but I enter for my own personal satisfaction and to test my skills against others to find out where I need to improve, not to win medals and trophys.


Anything that pushed your body as hard as Martial Arts does...Definetly counts as a sport.

but by that token, that would make doing push ups, sit ups, or jazzercise a sport.

kung fu is exercise - definitely. but kung fu is not a sport.

... unless, of course, you practice in a wushu style and/or school. wushu is a sport. actually, i'd say wushu is closer to dance, but some people consider that a sport as well. weird.

but i won't go into that on here. (or anywhere, unless someone buys me a lot of drinks and asks.)


Are you saying that UFC's don't count as sport? That's what I was refering to in saying Martial arts is a sport...Not all forms of it qualify, but some of it does...IMO

If boxing is a sport so is Martial Arts...

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:36 am
by Silent Huntress
I don't consider what I do a sport, but an art form using the body. I don't disagree that some martial arts are a sport, basically those used in UFC style fighting.

For me, it's a way to train my body, develop stamina, flexibility, muscle tone, balance and maybe some grace so I don't move like an old lady all the time. It takes years to learn the numerous forms and all the while, you work to perfect every move. I do it for my own personal satisifaction and to be healthier. The fact that the black sashes and the masters are amazing in what they can do, just makes me want to work harder.

Sport? For me, no. For others, maybe yes. It's all in the way you look at it. I have to agree with Iblis. My martial art is not a sport.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:06 pm
by Nephilim
shadow dancer wrote:The only pro sport that I'm really into is ice hockey. I've been a Rangers fan for a long time.


Don't tell Greyeyes that, she's a BIG Flyers fan. :D

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:10 pm
by Nephilim
Silent Huntress wrote:I do participate in martial arts, specifically Kung Fu, but can you really consider it a sport? There are tournaments, but I enter for my own personal satisfaction and to test my skills against others to find out where I need to improve, not to win medals and trophys.


The martial arts are a part of competition in the Olympic summer games (with medals and all). That pretty much qualifies it as a sport in my book. I mean, if you take iblis's example or yours, then that would rule out most track and field events altogether.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:29 pm
by Zeo
iblis wrote:
Zeo wrote:As far as U.T. football is concerned, I personally think Knoxville would be a better place if Neyland Stadium burned to the ground. If you aren't a football fan and you have to deal with game day traffic in Knoxville, I'm sure you know where I'm coming from.
People are fucking fanatical over the shit, and it's ridiculous. In my experience it would seem a lot of the fans are ignorant, shallow, and extremely under cultured. If the Vols lose a game, that is all you are going to hear from them all week.
Any game they play I hope they lose. Maybe if a few years go by where they totally suck people will lose interest and hop off the bandwagon and find something else to do.

right. they'll just switch to cheering on the titans.


That would be awesome. They could all just migrate to Nashville.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:56 pm
by junkie christ
i lived beside bristol motor speedway for years.
racenecks > football rednecks because they wont get arrested unless they shoot someone.
and im even questionable on that.
its like fucking martial law as long as you have a number on you or a mullet.

ill take weekly redneck traffic over about 4 weeks outta the year having a few MILLION people parked around your house that are lit, stealing shit, destroying shit, clogging up the way to small roads, and will guaranteed not get busted for shit.

seriously, gimme a football fan anyday.
no matter how drunk all football fans agree on one thing, soccer sucks.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:35 pm
by iblis
Coor wrote:
iblis wrote:
Coor wrote:
Silent Huntress wrote:I do participate in martial arts, specifically Kung Fu, but can you really consider it a sport? There are tournaments, but I enter for my own personal satisfaction and to test my skills against others to find out where I need to improve, not to win medals and trophys.

Anything that pushed your body as hard as Martial Arts does...Definetly counts as a sport.

but by that token, that would make doing push ups, sit ups, or jazzercise a sport.

kung fu is exercise - definitely. but kung fu is not a sport.

... unless, of course, you practice in a wushu style and/or school. wushu is a sport. actually, i'd say wushu is closer to dance, but some people consider that a sport as well. weird.

but i won't go into that on here. (or anywhere, unless someone buys me a lot of drinks and asks.)

Are you saying that UFC's don't count as sport? That's what I was refering to in saying Martial arts is a sport...Not all forms of it qualify, but some of it does...IMO

If boxing is a sport so is Martial Arts...

okay, i've had more than enough drinks. i didn't say 'martial arts'

first, let me start with boxing. or should i be specific? american boxing. how's that?

boxing is a bunch of weight lifters beating the unholy fuck out of each other, and not taking the simple solution of kicking the others' knee out from underneath the other.

they're athletes, don't get me wrong. those fuckers train like there's no tomorrow, and i don't blame them - the one's who don't get the shit punched out of them, one way or another.

and i feel the same way about UFC. awesome athletes. for someone who's primary purpose is to simply take a punch.

but, i do believe i said kung fu. not silly american boxing where it's illegal to gouge a man's eye out, kick them in the groin, or break their arm and insert said broken bone into arteries.

yes, i said kung fu.

and on that tangent, i mentioned wushu. wushu, when translated to english, means 'war art'. yes, i'm stressing the 'art' part of that for a reason.

kung fu, when you get down to it, is about killing and/or maiming, and getting better at it. at least, that is what it was originally designed for, and that is how any school with balls will teach it.

the people who designed that shit had far more to worry about than whether or not their goddamned big mac would be under- or overcooked.

and so i start my rant about bodhidharma.

in a time and place without the wonder of gunpowder and the ultimate equalizer, these pacifist motherfuckers were worried about taking a trip 10 miles down the road.

to another temple.

that's right. the originators of the art were holy men, and they had to worry about being mugged, killed, and/or robbed whilst on a trek to either spread the holy word, or take care of sick people

they were bad ass meditators. they could pray from sunup until sundown. but they were easy pickings. so this swank motherfucker, by the name of bodhidharma, says, "hey, why don't you meditate and exercise at the same time?"

woot.

he taught them what we now call isometrics. but fucking cruel, painful, evil isometrics. the kind that makes your fat, lazy american ass whine just thinking about it. some of those isometrics, which were and are done while meditating and praying consist of nothing more than supporting your entire bodyweight, in a push-up position, without anything else touching the ground but your hand. this is while your arm is ninety degrees. like in the middle of a push up.

and these mofos did it while meditating. for the length of 48 long breaths. (or is it 49? huntress, ask sifu daniel. I always round up. i sometimes do 50 or 60 i chin ching, just because i can't count in my head - without a computer right next to me - worth a shit. ask rob from rogersville, he'll verify that.)

anyway, to make a long story shorter than it should be (because, as i said, i've been drinking, and i have to go pee) they learned the isometrics, got buff, got competitive, and beat the shit out of each other, practiced pressure points, and other such (yes i'm being vague. and on purpose, too. fuck you. ) until they could defend themselves.

these motherfuckers learned how to kill to survive. to teach any less would turn it into something different than what it is. and then they're just selling a watered down, "this is america and yes we're yuppies!" version of what the style was designed for.

which, i might add, is 99% of all tae kwon do schools in this country. (i say 'this country' because the schools in korea are still bad ass, and laugh at us lazy americans every time they turn on espn.)

if 50% of what's taught in real schools were practiced at such events as UFC, there wouldn't be a UFC. (huntress, think about how people seeing the 'self defense #3' or '#4' technique would look on national televion, if used properly. 'oh look, they're skipping. WTF?! where did their knee go?!?!) at least not more than one event - then there would be dead people, and autopsies, and finally police reports and convictions. and then the 'sport' would be over, and it would be dubbed 'murder'. which doesn't really help schools get students, let alone help them stay open and not be indicted for teaching said students.

most of the best that i've known have kept a low profile.

seems that's the best thing to do, these days.

anyway, i've had my rant. see you in the funny papers.

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:50 pm
by X
Most gyms have programs where you can go in and learn different styles of fight, where you could infact hit up a few MMA contests. I participate in striking classes about 3 times a week, an OFFICIAL braz. jujitsu class once a week, and i like to spar anytime possible.

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:14 pm
by shadow dancer
Nephilim wrote:
shadow dancer wrote:The only pro sport that I'm really into is ice hockey. I've been a Rangers fan for a long time.


Don't tell Greyeyes that, she's a BIG Flyers fan. :D



At least she's not a Red Wings fan.

(Sorry Thor, I couldn't help it.)

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:25 pm
by iblis
X wrote:Most gyms have programs where you can go in and learn different styles of fight, where you could infact hit up a few MMA contests. I participate in striking classes about 3 times a week, an OFFICIAL braz. jujitsu class once a week, and i like to spar anytime possible.

leg humper.

lol

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:37 pm
by Nephilim
iblis wrote:kung fu, when you get down to it, is about killing and/or maiming, and getting better at it. at least, that is what it was originally designed for, and that is how any school with balls will teach it.


Thanks for the.....history(?) lesson there. There is a lot you are leaving out, but this statement here I take issue with.

If you honestly believe that, then I think you need to re-learn. Ask any credible sifu if that is what it's about and they will possibly chuckle, invite you to learn what it really is, or say no and politely ask you to leave (by credible, I mean one that doesn't separate the philosophy from the art).

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:24 pm
by iblis
Nephilim wrote:
iblis wrote:kung fu, when you get down to it, is about killing and/or maiming, and getting better at it. at least, that is what it was originally designed for, and that is how any school with balls will teach it.

Thanks for the.....history(?) lesson there. There is a lot you are leaving out, but this statement here I take issue with.
If you honestly believe that, then I think you need to re-learn. Ask any credible sifu if that is what it's about and they will possibly chuckle, invite you to learn what it really is, or say no and politely ask you to leave (by credible, I mean one that doesn't separate the philosophy from the art).

i think you missed out on a few nuances of that post, and i'm pretty certain it's because of the forum - not KG, but being posted online. i'd love to sit down and explain said rant in person, if you're ever at sanctus and/or temple when i am/ (i go out infrequently, and usually hit up temple because. i work during the week - but hey, feel free to pm me when you're planning on heading out here - i honestly would like to talk to you about this)

however, in case i don't get a chance to shoot the shit with you in person, some of those nuances, points, and what have you are:

a) that was a boiled down, drunk and cynical point of view of the history. if i recall correctly, i did in fact post the fact that i was drunk prior to ranting.

b) kung fu certainly wasn't originally designed to win medals. i'm not saying you said it was, but good fucking god, it deserves saying. and repeating. repeatedly. ad nauseam.

c) at its beginnings, kung fu was literally a self-defense methodology, which at that said time and place, meant killing and/or maiming. my biggest point here was that if you leave that part out, you are ruining the entire art. you might as well all go play yatzee, and get limber. or go stretch a lot and do push ups. or get limber and do tae bo. or something else equally stupid.

d) i left out the philosophy of what i was taught for a reason: i am not a teacher. regardless of any 'rank' i might have attained, regardless of skills i may or may not have possessed, i am not, and have never been qualified to teach people the ways of the art i hold dear to me. thus, i'll be goddamned if i even *try* to impart the philosophy on anyone.

d - part 2) the vast majority of what i learned, philosophically, was based upon buddhist teachings. i found, some time later, that yeah, i'm rather fucking fond of them. and seeing as i get pissed whenever some cooch tries to shove christianity down my throat, i'm not about to try to pull the same things with what i believe. that's too hypocritical, even for me.

my take on it, is simply: want the 'why'? go ask your sifu. want the 'when'? go ask your sifu.

want a drunk's candid, fragrant, and flagrant synopsis, that leaves almost everything important out and is completely and utterly biased on how the drunk's feeling at the moment? ask me.

i just gave one synopsis, and can generate another in less than 10 minutes.

lol.

and if you get offended by any of this, get a life. :D your style, system, and/or philosophy should be more important to you than any shit i can post on here.

if you want to talk about it at length, i'm not going anywhere.

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:54 pm
by moonstone84
shadow dancer wrote:

The only pro sport that I'm really into is ice hockey.

i've always liked hockey too... i used ot live w/ a girl who had season tix for the Devil's AHL team since they played a 10 minute bus ride away from us. i'm hoping that the ice beas will prove fun to watch.

Lessee, I've also like rugby some. I tried to play it in college but, those girls were MEAN. you see, our boys team was the best (intermural) in all the east. they lost to no one... except to our girls.

and, like the typical girl, when the olympics come around, i find myself watching the last rounds of the ice skating.

to play, i just like to run and hike. non competativly, that is. so i guess that's not a sport. i've tried to do things semi-competitivly, like a "what the fsck" basketball game, but i always end up getting hurt. my sig-oth calls it the "marsha syndrom".

i don't seem to have that problem with bocce, however, but those old men get a little too into it.

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:41 pm
by B_Ko
Is Tetris a sport?

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:02 pm
by miz kitty
I've never been a big sports fan, probably because I was hopeless at team sports as a kid. I was large for my age and not very coordinated. I was always picked next to last in team sports (last was the albino looking kid who wore the hunter orange vest year round), which my family simply couldn't understand because my mother and four of my aunts were all state in women's basketball. I think that scarred me for life. I did take gymnastics as akid and loved that, and still enjoy watching it if the Olympics or something is on. I was newspaper photographer in highschool, so I went to enough football and basketball games to figure out what was going on (and enjoy the chilidogs and nachos). I've never been to a baseball game in my entire life. I do enjoy watching wrasslin, but technically that's sports entertainment. I guess I've always been indifferent. I do feel martial arts are much more than a sport, and often get lumped into a category with brute strength sports which is selling them short. It's very intetesting to see how people view themselves as atheletic or not.

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:51 am
by Tampa_Nights
I boxed in the amateurs from 96 to 98 when I lived in the Los Angeles area, and have always been interested in fitness. I still follow boxing very closely. In fact, im an admin on two very high profile boxing messageboards.

Team sports? Hmm. I cant sit down and watch games very often anymore. I prefer college football to pro, as I think theres alot more passion involved and also, a much larger variety of teams. I'll put on a baseball game once in awhile and will even go to them on occasion.

But Im just not that passionate about being a spectator in anything . The obsession with sports so many have does seem childish to me. And I think its lame how much attention athletes get. Athletics shouldnt be such a huge prioroty. People in this country give more love (and money) to a brain dead linebacker than a guy who busts ass in school to be an engineer.

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:21 am
by Silent Huntress
Tampa_Nights wrote: And I think its lame how much attention athletes get. Athletics shouldnt be such a huge prioroty. People in this country give more love (and money) to a brain dead linebacker than a guy who busts ass in school to be an engineer.


Personally, I think they should be giving all the money that's spent on atlethics to the music and art departments, to the engineering departments, anything but sports. It's a scientifically proven fact that if you are a musician, you do better in school, especially in math.

One other thing that, as the mother of a teenager myself, I really appreciate, the majority of the band kids are polite, respectful, well behaved young men and women who take responsibiltiy for their own actions. They work as hard, if not harder, than the football players during the season. You try marching in a straight line and playing at the same time and see how hard it is. Then add the drill for the show, not running into each other and playing, it's pretty damn hard to do.

OK, off my soap box.

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:34 pm
by Bigun
Silent Huntress wrote:One other thing that, as the mother of a teenager myself, I really appreciate, the majority of the band kids are polite, respectful, well behaved young men and women who take responsibiltiy for their own actions.


And this one time at band camp...


:twisted:

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:15 pm
by Silent Huntress
Yeah, this one time, at band camp....

I could tell him stories that would curl his hair, but I don't want to give him any ideas. They come up with enough stuff on their own!

And, Iblis, I have heard the histories of kung fu from sifu Daniel (as I'm sure you know). You know which school I go to and what they teach. There is a lot of emphasis on how to break bones and hyperextend joints with minimal effort on our part (think yellow belt tiger and sparring 3 and 4). Kung fu can be a brutal weapon used to maim, kill or permanently disable an opponent. If it came down to using it to defend myself or family, I'd use every form in the book and wouldn't think twice about it. But just for sparring or practice, we are forbidden to even touch elbows, knees or the head so we don't make a mistake and really hurt someone in class.

And the "exercises"? I have to agree. Spend about a minute and a half in horse stance and see how well your legs work then. And I Chin Ching? I sweat like a horse doing them and all you see all around you are people standing, sitting, whatever posture is required to do that particular excercise, eyes closed, breathing in and out, with shaking limbs and a grimace of pain on their faces towards the end. Sifu Daniel has told us that to do all the I Chin Ching would take all day and more strength and stamina than most people could even imagine.

We've even had some discussion about pressure points. While some would be pretty damn funny to use on someone (like the one that makes you laugh uncontrollably that he won't teach us!), others can cause extreme pain or, according to legend, even death.

And we haven't even touched Tai Chi!

I would be delighted to sit and discuss this with you sometime. Hell, I'll even buy you a beer!