DarkVader wrote:You're missing the point of why the "standards" are played. Limiting the DJs to 3 a Sanctus would likely result in a dead dance floor - which in short order would result in no Sanctus for anyone to complain about.

I have still yet to hear any logical reason that an empty dance floor means the club is making any less money. People don't pay to dance. They pay to drink and socialize.

I sorta disagree about "Faith" - it's not a horrible song, though I would much prefer to have heard "Freedom" - but the mixing in of the Limp Bizkit was just atrocious. I sincerely hope the DJs don't start catering to "the kids" to the exclusion of "the regulars".

Certain artist should be avoided at a goth club and Limp Bisket is one of them. Let's face it ,"Faith" sucks no matter what version it is or how you mix it. The DJ's are attempting to play what they think people will want to hear. Feedback from the people(positive or negative) helps in that respect. So some of you people need to quit bitching about people complaining and know it's just them telling a dj they don't like that and do like this.

I got it! Let's have 250+ Sanctus' per year and allow each individual to make up their own setlist for one of them.





We can hold them ALL in CDs pants.

shadow dancer wrote:I got it! Let's have 250+ Sanctus' per year and allow each individual to make up their own setlist for one of them.

I, and many other Sanctus attendees who are too chicken to speak up, would be happy just hearing one or two "indie rock" songs per Sanctus, whether it's Jesus and Mary Chain, Tricky, Mogwai, the Smiths ("How Soon is Now" doesn't count), Jane's Addiction, Sonic Youth, Pavement, hell, ANYTHING!

I think it is only logical that if George Michael and Limp Bizkit can be played, so can that stuff, considering how many Sanctus attendees like all that music.

I mean, I'm not saying "play artists like that because I want to hear them", I'm saying "play them because LOTS OF PEOPLE would enjoy them". I thought the entire Rule of DJing was "Thou Shalt Please the Crowd". Wellllll... if a whole lot of people in "the crowd" want to hear certain things, why aren't they getting played?

Consensus is fine. Individual set-list would guarantee Nirvana, Metallica, or some other crap trendy as group's music being played.

Staying within the context of the scene would keep the complaint's down. The scene is goth , correct? Then play music that is gothic or similar in nature. Eighties, industrial, and some alternative with dark and\or sexual overtones would fit. These are elements common in any goth scene. Limp bisket is not........EVER.

Jack wrote:I, and many other Sanctus attendees who are too chicken to speak up, would be happy just hearing one or two "indie rock" songs per Sanctus, whether it's Jesus and Mary Chain, Tricky, Mogwai, the Smiths ("How Soon is Now" doesn't count), Jane's Addiction, Sonic Youth, Pavement, hell, ANYTHING!

You may very well have a point there, but the fact of the matter is that this thread gets rehashed every 2 or 3 months, and it is generally the same people saying the same things (myself included in that), and even the people that agree on ONE thing still have a different opinion on how the entire night should go.

Am I a Limp Bizkit fan? Absolutely not. Did the mix bother me? No, because it was one song in an entire night. I don't expect to enjoy everything I hear when I go out. I would be sorely disappointed every time. But just as there are those who disliked the mix, I've heard those that were quite humored by it.

Pavement? You can probably get them to play here live for a six pack of coke and a packet of mustard.

darkdahla wrote:Pavement? You can probably get them to play here live for a six pack of coke and a packet of mustard.

Are the sanctus set lists still posted?

And, Vader, I think we need a Bitch forum, where we can bitch about music and bitch about overmoderation, etc. This argument is constantly rehashed...and I don't see anyone ever being pleased by anything they play. I get annoyed by hearing some stuff over and over again, and I enjoy some of what is played. I bet some people love hearing the songs I hate, so as long as we are all pleased a little bit, I think it is alright. I don't think there is any point in the requests thread either, because if any of them are played, people are still pissed.

I don't understand why people who don't ever seem to participate on the forum decide to get on here just to complain...*shrug*


No one is forcing anyone to go...I didn't go this time because I didn't enjoy myself last time and figured I needed a break. The virgin suicides has a cool soundtrack and I sat on my couch with good company and cheap drinks.

If this site is called Knoxgothic and the club night is hosted by the people running this site then I am going to assume that Sanctus is a "goth" night, then maybe the dj's should work on actually look into finding new material to play instead of playing 80's hits for the majority of the night, every time. I am bored with it as well, I have heard the same stuff played for years. The music I listen to at home would be more along the lines of what I would expect to hear at a goth night and do hear in clubs in other cities. One of the reasons I like to go out to clubs is to hear music that I may not have been exposed to yet, not listen to the same shit that was played at Neptune, Lava, Network, ext.... But then again a quote from one of the dj's about a year ago, "I don't care what these people want." Well, some of these people don't care what you want, it works both ways. I think that this venture has a lot to do with money personally, not about supporting the scene.

The sheep goes Baahhhhhhh!

Scandalous!!

FLAME ON!!!

Buttercup, your'e posts really make sense to me. Anyone who knows a thing about me could tell you i like prince. I like james brown and public enemy too. Do i think those are appropriate for goth night? Nope.
And George Michaels sure as hell isn't.
Moving On.
Different music for different moods, you know? I think that's what makes XI a good DJ. He's empathic enough (on a good night) for the most part to have a finger on the pulse of the crowd. He also has serious working knowlege of his stuff and,honestly, i've only seen people RIP OFF his sets. Sorry. Case in point: Snake River Conspiracy's 'Lovesong' cover ,then 'how soon is now.'
I know bitching all the time isn't cool so i'll offer a solution; it's apparent some "spinners" would be lost without XI (evidenced by keeping him around so we'll know what to play-but not give good spots)..the SOULUTION would be to learn your shit.
Take some money and find some time to go to the disc exchage and search. Learn your craft. Or talk to Caustic. He's got the goods as well.
But then we can play 'safety dance' three times in one night.
Thank god for the crowd booing on the third enough an XI had the mercy to ditch it.
As far as people only getting on the board to bitch and not participate, well , um..my account has been deactivated a few times by someone CHANGING MY PASSWORD.
I'm not joking. I'm serious.
I've had a handful of accounts now..all balance spelled in different ways...playing with the spacing, capitols and all.
Maybe someone figures dessent equents descent. Can't have that. So if my passwords aren't changed (thank u somebody) i'd be on every now and then.
What do i have to say positive? The new manson song (fuck u because, etc.) was a good addition. But that was the first new thing i've really heard in a long time.
Finally, the hack dj battle cry "it's got to fill the dance floor"
or "we've got to make people dance" which perpetuates the ad nausiem rotation of the same old songs.(closer,chauffer,no.1 crush) Music is'nt always about dancing. it's about mood as well.
Knowing this is one of Xi's strenghts.
I'd say JaNell is right. Try limiting a set to 3 "hit's" a night. Call it the hack DJ challenge.
Find something new-play it a bit, then u have a new crowd pleaser.
Also, i'd like to clarify-this is nothing perosonal. Because i PAY to get in i view these nights as a service i pay for. It IS a business after all. If the product is sub par i feel i have every right to say so.
I like the people, i like the night-but george michaels fucking sucks.
Limp Bizkit sucks worse.
Quit Playing lame shit.
The End.

We're getting to the core of what I always end up saying. "What the hell kind of night is this supposed to be, anyway?"

Every single person I've ever known who was into "goth" music anytime between 1986 and 2003 - we're talking hundreds and hundreds of people - has been into at least some of the standards of underground rock - stuff like Sonic Youth, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division, the Fall, Jesus and Mary Chain, Husker Du, Camper Van Beethoven, Fugazi, etc etc etc. All I want to know is why it is, then, that on a "goth" night populated by people around my age - 28 - I never hear any of that music - instead, I hear stuff that no "goth" I've ever known anywhere else has ever liked, like "Love Shack" or "Safety Dance".

Let's face it, stuff like "Safety Dance" is only popular amongst a fairly small fraction of the attendees - sure, they're the ones that have been going to these events "forever", but why should that matter? If Marilyn Manson and Orgy can be played to satisfy the fairly small percentage of people who like them, why doesn't any DJ ever try to work in stuff that is equally "connected" to the "goth scene" for the other small percentages?

Would one Sonic Youth and one Fugazi song really kill the entire night?

Why not at least try a new DJ or a new mix of music, just once? Are you all afraid that people might like it, or that they might not? Because I honestly don't know anymore.

Oh, and I don't even know what that Pavement comment was supposed to even mean. I think you have Pavement confused with another band, given that:

A) Pavement has been broken up for years, and
B) They were one of the most commercially successful and critically-acclaimed indie rock bands of all time.

Hey, how about a different guest dj everytime?


Maybe balance or zeo would make people happier.

For those of you who wish new music.

http://thepilotlight.com/

And granted that's one venue but I figure for variety it's the best one in Knoxville.

You want different music, I better see that place filled.

Yeah..sadly, I believe the best way to hear new music is probably not going to Sanctus.

The only way to change things is probably by putting your dollar where your mouth is and not going out.

Sad but true.


And how can we possibly resolve this issue and move the hell on?

And the idea of maybe 3 "staples" a month is great. OH..except for "space oddity" it doesn't count as one..

CD, I'm not talking about "new" music. I'm not requesting stuff like Neutral Milk Hotel or something off the new Mogwai.

I'm simply suggesting the playing of stuff that many of us were listening to at the same time as we were listening to "goth" music - the late 80s/early 90s.

Isn't that why "99 Luftballoons" is played? It's not "goth", and the MAX percentage of people at Sanctus who enjoy that song is probably 15%.

Well, I am absolutely positive that 15% of the attendees would enjoy some Sonic Youth.

So why the double standard?

Being that it is a "goth" club it would be nice to hear some goth music. I honestly don't recall many goth bands songs being played there.

ya know...its really been beaten to death, but.....

if you don't like the way that sanctus cock tastes, then why do you keep putting it in your mouth??

I mean, personally, i can agree with Erin, without offending anyone, of course if i do, i wasn't the first one.....there is such thing as spinning the 'favorites' of course these are called 'staples' but i think the sanctus book looks like a hardcore match after New Jack has hit the ring.....Full of Staples *New Jack is a wrestler who uses a staple gun....ALOT*

9 out of 10 times you can say, this is going to get played and this and this and this....and you could bet your first born child on it, and still have to clean shitty diapers at the end of the night......

I agree with the dancefloor thing, its a bit retarded, but its somewhat true to....turning the floor successfully is a VERY hard skill to master....i can't do it, i either have a happy floor or no floor....*shrugs*

Anyway...the simple solution here is....well simple, if you don't like sanctus then....don't go. Erin didn't go cus she was bored, you people say you were bored, you hear the same shit, then don't pay 5 dollars. I've gotta say honestly, if i didn't have to drive a hour to get there, and pay 5 to get in, i probably would have left about 20 mins after getting there on sunday...anyone who talked to me saw how unpleased i was......Now of course i was in a bad mood, the venue made me a little weirded out...and quite frankly....i was just a bit unsecure being there......it wasn't the music, cus i knew it wasn't going to be different. I am shocked that Bone did do the Faith thing, after the collective WHAT THE FUCK he got at 80s night......but whatever......


and just remember- tomorrow i become a murderer.... tomorrow i kill a song......which one?? come to 80s night and find out /end shameless plug

Well in that case I have one request. If you're going to cal it a goth club you should play a majority of goth music. Otherwise, don't call it a goth club call it something else.