Our Current Position... American Politics and History

Melicious Scam · Post by **Melicious Scam** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:33 am

I am beginning to think that this post is going to get vicious fast.

I think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion... and yes, debating about it is good... you have to fucking remember, it is JUST an opinion.

4X541N7 · Post by **4X541N7** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:59 am

Hey Crimecore,

First..To be an Anarchist...You have to support & cause Anarchy...So far, I have seen you...

1.) Claim to Christianity...
2.) Support Gun Control...
3.) & Claim to Appreciate the American Constitution...(That's right I can read...)

The first, is a set of ideals, set forth by men...Given to them by a diety...Forcing you to bow before said deity, & worship it...There are also many persons, that claim 'rank' above you in Christianity...

The second, is that you deny yourself a right as a living being...Guns are harmless...In harmless hands...Yes, they kill people when they are meant to...I could kill you with a Q-Tip...Anything is a weapon...Why should we not protect ourselves from the government...There's a revolution coming...& I hope you have your head out of your ass for it...

The third, while a document that 'protects' our rights...It's still an American document...Therefore, I gave you more credit for saying 'Fuck it', than I do at the moment...If you had stuck with that...I wouldn't be calling the 'Anarchy' thing out right now...

I think that one day...You will have a little reality check, & then you'll see the importance of firearms in today's society...& I hope that you don't think that I'm trying to single you out....Or that I don't like you...I'm just debating...I would like to hear what you have to say...Nothing more...Just stating my veiws on these issues...

Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:29 pm

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

On that note, sometimes it's best to just agree to disagree. We're not making new governmental policies here, just expressing personal opinions. It's okay to disagree, but don't get all bent out of shape over it. No one has come out against free speech, but they sure like to attack opposing views. Back to what our parents told us about religion & politics, I guess... be careful who you discuss them with & around.

My opinion (& feel free to disagree):

Abortion... I'm prochoice. My choice will always be prolife.

War... is a failure of diplomacy. I think the current administration was exercising more greed than concern for it's own citizens when we began this one, but it's too late to just throw in the towel. We need to leave the area in better shape than we found it & I have no doubt our service men & women will be able to do just that. Especially if the top dogs just leave the decisions to the flks who actually know what's going on & not the greedy, out of touch political beaureaucrats who keep fucking things up.

Guns... I hate voilence in any form, but I would be a fool if I didn't acknowledge it's existence. Some folks feel more comfortable owning guns for their own protection & fully support their right to that. I'll never take one up, nor do I even wish to touch a firearm. (They feel terrible in my hand anytime I've tried.) If I need to kill someone, they will be bludgeoned to death or perhaps impaled. A personal preference, if you will.

Please note,, that a person would have to be a direcct threat to me or mine before I would ever even think of harming them physically.

Gay Marriage... Absofuckinglutely! If the M word freaks folks out too much, call it a civil union or whatever, but just let them have the same protection under the law that married heterosexuals have. Insurance benefits, death benefits when one dies, the same basic legal standing as any legally joined couple enjoys.

Education... hell yes, pay the teachers more! Oh, & while we're at it, let's put some more money back into the buildings themselves. It's ridiculous to have our kids recieveing their education in trailers outside of asbestos ridden schools that haven't been properly tended in decades! For shame!

Welfare... as a recepiant of social assistance for years when my babies were little & I was struggling as a single mom, I fully support it. It helped me to feed my family while working, but still not making enough to pay bills & have money left for food each week. Finally, I got promoted at my job & made enough that I got to get off the foodstamps that mine & others tax dollars were providing. All was great for a few years... until my company went belly up & I became unemployed again. Now I'm a full time student & I'm back in the system, but just wait... soon enough I'll have my shit together again & will not need the extra help. Welfare is a temporay fix, not a lifestyle. Those who attempt to make a lifestyle out of it, need to be educated , trained, or whatever & then put to work of some kind. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. The system helps alot of very deserving individuals, even if it is somewhat exploitable to a few bad seeds.

Healthcare... should be the right of everyindividual regadless of income, insurance, or preexisting conditions.

Okay, that's enough for now.

Play nice, kids!

pryjmaty · Post by **pryjmaty** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:06 pm

On the welfare thing.......yes, i have been on welfare.....i currently recieve food stamps. i am NOT proud of this; however, i've worked fucking hard and paid my taxes. We are going through a difficult time right now. It's time for my tax dollars to fucking pay up, the way i see it. I will say, no, i am NOT a welfare mom. My issue with welfare is those that make a 'career' out of it. Those bitches should be 'fixed'!!!!

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:28 pm

So, I'm just curious...out of all of you that are saying anarchist can't do this, or believe in that...how many of you actually ARE anarchist?

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:43 pm

vicious_blood wrote:So, I'm just curious...out of all of you that are saying anarchist can't do this, or believe in that...how many of you actually ARE anarchist?

I think I understood this so I will answer accordingly. I'm a borderline anarchist. I believe that some people are too stupid to go though life without some instruction. That is not to say that they have to be ordered around or that we need laws. I think education is the way. If more people understood more about their world and we had more definate answers to life's questions and taught those answers and principles of community over adversity then we would be fine. The only problem is that all humans have free will and their own agendas. This causes people who haven't been taught a sense of community to trample on others to attain their goals. It is free will that causes me to doubt anarchy in it's true form, ( not the tainted version that so many think they understand).

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:44 pm

last time i checked you didn't have to claim yourself an anarchist to know a thing or two about it

but i do consider myself to be one in a sense
and probably in the purest sense

my music and live performances reflect it as well
as i am in full black bloc gear at most of my shows

i don't go out and smash starbucks windows (though i'd love to)
so i get my point across through art

but as much as humanly possible
i try to seperate my self from the state
and im am completely seperate from all organized religions
(all of them from christianity to satanism)

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:54 pm

Will everybody please shut up about anarchism! It sounds like a goddamn highschool in here!

Melicious Scam · Post by **Melicious Scam** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:10 pm

oh christian anarchy coming from an anarchist website.... i thought derek already explained himself on this but just in case you didn't get it the first time sweety here you go.
oh and here is the link.....
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.p ... 26/2904407

Anarchism and Organized Religion

While not all anarchists absolutely reject religion, many do and many (anarchists and non-anarchists) equate anarchism with atheism. Even more reject organized religion. Thereâ€™s great reason for these beliefs. The idea that one must acquiesce to the power of a â€œdivineâ€

4X541N7 · Post by **4X541N7** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:11 pm

Jack wrote:Will everybody please shut up about anarchism! It sounds like a goddamn highschool in here!

I think Jack here, is the biggest anarch of us all...

BTW, I'm an anarch...I have the card & everything...

Melicious Scam · Post by **Melicious Scam** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:13 pm

now you can fucking close this thread because i am goddamn tired of not being able to say the things that were asked to be said at the beginning in the first place.

blindboy · Post by **blindboy** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:14 pm

Why do all the gun owners think as soon as their guns are taken away the government will step in and take control of everything. I mean really people if our government wanted to take control of this country by way of force a few militia groups with guns won't fare too well against our military. Seriously it's a ridiculous idea. If any of you haven't noticed our government works quietly and slowly. They just won't rush in and take away all of your freedoms. They will do it one small step at a time. So paying attention to political issuse and voting is much more of a defence against our government than owning a .45

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:20 pm

4X541N7 wrote:BTW, I'm an anarch...I have the card & everything...

Did you get it at Hot Topic?

4X541N7 · Post by **4X541N7** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:22 pm

blindboy wrote:Why do all the gun owners think as soon as their guns are taken away the government will step in and take control of everything. I mean really people if our government wanted to take control of this country by way of force a few militia groups with guns won't fare too well against our military. Seriously it's a ridiculous idea. If any of you haven't noticed our government works quietly and slowly. They just won't rush in and take away all of your freedoms. They will do it one small step at a time. So paying attention to political issuse and voting is much more of a defence against our government than owning a .45

Yes, but in owning that .45 you become a statistic...One of the millions of private gun owners, that the government now has to deal with...You add to their problem of domination...Yes, they will step in & take away our freedoms...Look at Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini...All took away, first, the guns, then the freedoms...I do watch the politics & systems of our government...I try to watch every law that gets passed...I belong to National Write Your Congress..Which informs it's members of all laws being passed, who voted for them, etc...

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:27 pm

Just a side note.

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/headline.php?id=953
And
http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/headline.php?id=947

blindboy · Post by **blindboy** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:30 pm

I believe in the right to own firearms don't get me wrong. I own a .38 and a Glock M22 myself. I just don't believe in the whole RedDawn scenario. *shrugs*

4X541N7 · Post by **4X541N7** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:42 pm

vicious_blood wrote:
4X541N7 wrote:BTW, I'm an anarch...I have the card & everything...

Did you get it at Hot Topic?

Na...I got it at my weekly Anarchist Club meeting...

4X541N7 · Post by **4X541N7** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:47 pm

blindboy wrote:I believe in the right to own firearms don't get me wrong. I own a .38 and a Glock M22 myself. I just don't believe in the whole RedDawn scenario. *shrugs*

That's cool...As long as you're not some 'Guns kill people...So they're bad' person...That shit pisses me off...

BTW, I'm starting to feel like I'm trying to be Charlton Heston....

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:55 pm

4X541N7 wrote:
vicious_blood wrote:
4X541N7 wrote:BTW, I'm an anarch...I have the card & everything...

Did you get it at Hot Topic?

Na...I got it at my weekly Anarchist Club meeting...

Oh, yeah...that's the one held in the storeroom of Hot Topic.

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:58 pm

Mercurygriffin wrote:I don't like HAND guns. I don't like the idea of murder being so easy for anyone. If it had stayed at shotguns and rifles then I wouldn't have such an issue with it. Hand guns are evil. There is no reason to have such a compact killing machine other than to hide it from plain view.

To an extent, I have to agree. I wouldn't say that it'd be a good thing to outlaw handguns, though. To paraphrase the old saying: "If handguns are outlawed, only outlaws will have handguns."

That's also why I don't believe in outlawing guns. Or any other weapon, for that matter.

vicious_blood wrote:I wouldn't ever own a gun either, but that's cause I would go on a killing rampage...even tho I think it would be more fun with a large sharp object, it'd just be easier with a gun or 2.

See now, this is why I don't have a gun. I could easily see myself deciding that it'd be fun to go and take out as many people as I could before I myself become one of the perforated masses. Actually, that would be fun.

But I could just as easily see myself actually going through with it, if I had the equipment available. Sort of like, if I had an army of ninja robots, I couldn't keep myself from attempting global domination. Or at least taking over a small country.

NINJAS WITH LASERS!

Whee.