i took my music history course at full sail in orlando it was part of my degree program

but i really couldn't point you to just one webpage that lists bands and has genre names after them or anything like that

i just read all i can about the genres of music i like
and find out all i can bout the history of them etc..


there are lots of online zines and shit
as well as paper ones

i dunno if you guys get industrial nation at disc exchange there
but i carry it in my distro
i have a shit ton of copies of the last two issues laying around
just send me an email if you wanna read those

here's a good essay that posted on the net about the prehistory of industrial music

http://media.hyperreal.org/zines/est/ar ... econt.html

he lists a lot of good references as well

If I recall correctly, I believe Johnny Cash did a cover of Personal Jesus...
So I don't know how that shakes things up in the Gothness totem pole.
Also he recorded some stuff in German which is pretty interesting.

rec|use wrote:i took my music history course at full sail in orlando it was part of my degree program

but i really couldn't point you to just one webpage that lists bands and has genre names after them or anything like that

i just read all i can about the genres of music i like
and find out all i can bout the history of them etc..


there are lots of online zines and shit
as well as paper ones

i dunno if you guys get industrial nation at disc exchange there
but i carry it in my distro
i have a shit ton of copies of the last two issues laying around
just send me an email if you wanna read those

here's a good essay that posted on the net about the prehistory of industrial music

http://media.hyperreal.org/zines/est/ar ... econt.html

he lists a lot of good references as well

Well thanks for the referral. I'm sure it will be interesting. I'm just not sure how one determines who the authority is on genres, because many bands will say they are not a genre that many people and publications label them as. Also i have gotten my idea of what the genre titles mean from various sites and publications (including industrial nation), so evidently sources disagree as well.
Obviously it will take me a while to do all that research, so in the meantime I'm curious if there are specific band descriptions of mine that you disagree with, and if so how would you describe them?

yeah he sure did do a cover of that song
and nin too
and he picked up a shit ton of fair weather fans that latched onto
"goth" novelty

his back catalogoue holds treasures what will stand the test of time
and those covers simply pale in comparisson

paintedbird wrote:If someone asked me what kind of music EN was, I would certainly not say "goth" but if someone asked me if it would be fitting to play EN at a goth event, i would say definately. Of course thats a subjective issue though.

it is industrial, btw. in fact, one of the first industrial bands.

and they actually claim that they are not industrial

rec|use wrote:and they actually claim that they are not industrial

well they beat on metal pipes, large springs, shopping carts, and fuck shit up with angle grinders.

so no matter what they might think, they are industrial.

i agree

just something i read in an interview

paintedbird wrote:Razor Skyline
Switchblade Symphony
Hungry Lucy
Battery
Skinny Puppy
Diary of Dreams
Wolfsheim
Ohgr
Suicide Commando
Claire Voyant
Frontline Assembly
Revolting Cocks
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Miranda Sex Garden
Apoptygma Berzerk
Marilyn Manson
Fields of the Nephilim
Sisters of Mercy
(some) Collide
This Ascension
Clan of Xymox (at least the early stuff)
Thoushaltnot
KMFDM
Icon of Coil
L'ame Immortelle
Faith and the muse
Cocteau Twins (not too Dancey though)

Oh look its my set list for Saturday..........heh

haha oh God if you're serious it looks like our setlists will be very similar

paintedbird wrote:haha oh God if you're serious it looks like our setlists will be very similar

I am sorry......even though I am playing this Saturday, I am willing to send you my set list now if you don't post it on here

great- promise i'll keep it to myself

Where/How do you want it? PM here?

sure

rec|use wrote:yeah he sure did do a cover of that song
and nin too
and he picked up a shit ton of fair weather fans that latched onto
"goth" novelty

his back catalogoue holds treasures what will stand the test of time
and those covers simply pale in comparisson

one piece at a time my friend, my daddy sang bass too, but only on sunday mornings comin down, so stay cool, and dont take your guns to town

i am *not* a fair weather cash fan just an fyi

i still say the best cash song ever is cocain blues.

Been away from the office for a while - The flu has been kicking my ass. But I'm feeling better...Finally.

Good question Aleister and I can understand why it gets people in kind of a bind with their answers. Performers like Nick Cave and Diamanda Galas are often asked about thier fans and if they are making gothic music. Both have said absolutely not. Their music just happens to appeal to people with darker sentamentalities.

I can understand EN's reluctance to consider themselves an industrial band, as industrial as coined by Monte Cazazza is a far cry from what is considered industrial today. I see bands like TG, EN, Test Department, SPK and others as Experimental.

So if even the artists cannot agree on what classification their own music falls into, who does? The fans? The critics? I say the fans. "I don't know about art, but I know what I like," right?

What I would love to hear on a Gothic Night Out -

Karmakaze and Recluse DJing from the sound of it I didn't know you were Death In June fans! The more the merrier!

ya know what...who fucking cares.

novelty works
weird shit works
letting people be retards works
half of the fucking bands listed in this longass boring post usually don't work...HERE
do they work somewhere else...yes. That is one privledge i have with getting to travel...i don't wanna just drive, wrestle, drive...so i find out whats going on ahead of time, and i'm usually like...vomitting at the pure gothness i see sometimes.

its like this

if it works for where you are..then fucking do it.
if you are in some other city, and it works there...then do it.

its different every where you go, so just stick with what works where you are at.

I consider "goth" music to be well made songs with a message/feeling of:
Madness, loating, eroticism, love, hate, disgust, anger, defiance, indifferance, passiveness, romanticism, lonelyness, and any other emotion/thought that can be taken as a "darker thought". It isn't about names or pertense for me. It isn't about black eyeliner. It isn't about being a vampire or hating your parents or suicide. It is about passion. I personaly like it if it is tounge-and-cheek too. Humor about things that are so wrong that if it were to happen it would cripple the psychy. But then again, I'm not much of a goth role model. I am just a pagan/anarchist/submissive/ metal head/juggalo/club kid with a jaded side.

As for the Johnny Cash, I was raised on the man in black and i hold to that music. It has stood the test of time. When I first saw the video for hurt I almost cried because I could remember almost everything from that video and it made me sad to see him like that. When he did finally pass over to the other side of the tracks I did break. Johnnny Cash has been one of my personal heros for as long as I can remeber. But then again I had an absentee work-aholic father and I grew up in a trailer on the poor side of fountain city/halls. Johnny's words wil always ring tru to me. So yes, buy my classification of "goth music" he is the gothest of all, but in a classification all his own.

I was just wondering whats with the "set list" does noone play free at all just pick your tunes and play them in a certain order?