Let me wallow
In the lovin' hollow
Let me wallow
In yer Dang Good Stuff!

The reason I have not to this point participated in this conversation is that I have not had time for a topic that has been covered at least 4 times in the past 2 years. IMO the topic is tired but I suppose it's necessary. Without criticism, things would fall apart.

Look, we can't please all of you all of the time. We do what we can when we can.. If you have a song that you really like and we don't seem to have been exposed to it, bring it and let one of us give it a listen. If we like it and it's right for a club, it will get played. As a matter of fact, that very thing happened at the beginning of my set at Sanctus thanks to a friend of Mike's.

One other thing. Those of you that are bitching that we are collecting money at the door to support ourselves, KnoxGothic, and the community, I would let you know that you can keep bitching about it but at the end of the day, it's not going to change. This is what we do and I am proud to be a part of it.

< bitch >



It's a dance night. Get over yourselves and have a good time. If "Safety Dance" gets your knickers in that bad of a twist, go home.

< /bitch >

iblis wrote:
Again, perhaps you should look past your blind dislike for an artist and actually pay attention to the music that's being described. I don't care if a song is performed by someone previously known for hip-hop, goth, darkwave, new age, alternative, country, or fucking polka, if they put out a tune that fits the mood, there should be nothing wrong with playing it during a "goth night".

Really? So your saying that it would be OK to play hiphop songs on "Goth Night". I know of several hiphop songs that have a dark mood to them. I wonder if those would get played or not. Kelis is a good example or DJ spooky. You may say nothing would be wrong with it but try it and see what the reaction will be.

Any genre of music can have some artist playing songs that have a dark mood to it. By just playing any artist, you let people think"hey If he played Garth Brooks maybe he'll play Billy Ray Cyrus." Like we need that shit.

Oh and I listen to all types of music(even stuff I hate except country). So I am far from blind. As for limp biskit, they still suck and wesley was the only Non-Commercial person in that band. The rest are money grubbing whores. And i like songs with originality to them and I doubt Limp Biskit's Matrix song is original.

darkdahla wrote:Really? So your saying that it would be OK to play hiphop songs on "Goth Night". I know of several hiphop songs that have a dark mood to them. I wonder if those would get played or not. Kelis is a good example or DJ spooky. You may say nothing would be wrong with it but try it and see what the reaction will be.

Actualy.. I think it was at the April Sanctus that one of our DJ's played an entire set of Hip Hop. And from what I remember no one's eardrums burst, and no one committed suicide.

Before you BLATANTLY stereotype this scene... Maybe you should get to know the people in it. Since.. I'm not even sure that you've BEEN to a KG fucntion, and if you have did you even bother to get to know some of the people that were there?

The music played at Sanctus is just as diverse as the people who attend it. I'm sorry but I refuse to put any merit in complaints made by someone who isn't even involved in the night in question and who only logged onto this board to gripe. Perhaps if you had been part of this BEFORE sanctus and had posted your own requests on the board.. perhaps then more consideration to your bitching would be made.

As for the whole "George Michael/Limp Dick" song. That was a joke that most of the people who frequent the board regularly and who go out to dance nights would recognize. I was there when the whole thing happened.. and personally thought it was highly amusing. It was a JOKE. You know.. funny... because we don't take ourselves too seriously.

This forum is more than just a place for us to post. Its a way for us to communicate with eachother. For the most part we are all friends who care for one another and look out for eachother. I had a friend from work come to Sanctus this month. Her first experience with this scene. She said: "Everything was wonderful. I was so happy to be surrounded by people who were so nice!"

Apparently... we aren't as bad as you think.

MahoganyDawn wrote:The music played at Sanctus is just as diverse as the people who attend it.

Well, almost.

Jack wrote:

MahoganyDawn wrote:The music played at Sanctus is just as diverse as the people who attend it.

Well, almost.

Hehehe yeah.. we are a bit widespread. ;o)

darkdahla wrote:Limp Biskit does not play fucking goth music.

Surprise! Neither do half the artists played at Sanctus. And you know what?

Fuck. Goth. No, really. Plain and simple. And, for the most part, fuck a lot of industrial, too. In fact, I say fuck to most music because most of it's shit. I entirely agree.

But that by no means negates that the Limp Bizkit song on the Matrix Reloaded soundtrack is far more appropriate for Sanctus than George Michael or Safety Dance in terms of atmosphere.

If you think that they are goth because they're on that soundtrack then perhaps you should watch the movie for all the raver city Zion crap.

Let's get this straight: they're not Goth until they're on a Crow soundtrack. And that is by no means a rave in the film -- there aren't enough glowsticks after the machines took over. Duh.

Have people put up songs they'd like to hear at the club and people can go download the song and put their opinion of the song on the forum.

There is nothing wrong with this idea and it would require minimal effort on the part of all involved.

Yeah, man! Nothing wrong with pirating music! Fuck you music! You're my bitch!

So your saying that it would be OK to play hiphop songs on "Goth Night".

Who cares what Iblis thinks; he's not a DJ. Me? I was. And, since you apparently don't know, I did play hip-hop. And rap. And, surprise of all surprises, Garth Brooks. And people, if not many, danced to all of it.

But even more importantly, customers who didn't dance would show up early for my sets, and some people would leave when I was done. No shit.

The point? People respect quality music, whomever's making it, whether it's Limp Bizkit, Culture Kultur, or Brian Boitano. And no amount of your hand-stapled bitching's going to make a lick of difference about it.

darkdahla wrote:
Really? So your saying that it would be OK to play hiphop songs on "Goth Night". I know of several hiphop songs that have a dark mood to them.

Well, I once requested some Outkast and it did get played by Arkady, right before we sang happy birthday to KG for its first birthday. And many people enjoyed it.

Honestly, I practically lived at Lava, have missed maybe 2 sancti and have supported weekly nights for a long time...I've been involved with these people since before KG was a forum, and if all I ever heard was "goth music" I'd probably NEVER go out. I don't like most "modern goth" music.


Hmm..Sanctus and KG are almost 2 years old...they must be doing something right.

Michael, you are an excellent dj and I always enjoy your sets, but I still would rather people stay home than come on here and bitch. Its not like you dj's haven't been hearing the same old same old complaining for the past 2 years.... (and this isn't personal towards balance and morellademone...I love you guys).


Well, I'm gonna go to events and sanctus when I feel like it, not for the music, the dancing or the booze, but because I like to be around my friends, and thats why I support KG and Sanctus.

And I know the KGB is really raking in the dough...I mean, Boo's and Mike's daughter's college educations are already paid for, all the dj's drive mercedes and they and their wives/girlfriends have all quit their day jobs.

My 2cents, cause I know you have all been waiting for it. Sanctus kicks ass. There is too much going on to even pretend that one part (bad song, questionable drink, etc) could ruin the evening for anyone that isn't looking for something to gripe about. Personally there were enough things to do that I barely made it to the dance floor, and there were a few songs that drug me down there whether I was busy or not. I was there to have fun, and I did. Ok now that I said that, I'm gone again.

darkdahla wrote:

iblis wrote:Again, perhaps you should look past your blind dislike for an artist and actually pay attention to the music that's being described. I don't care if a song is performed by someone previously known for hip-hop, goth, darkwave, new age, alternative, country, or fucking polka, if they put out a tune that fits the mood, there should be nothing wrong with playing it during a "goth night".

Really? So your saying that it would be OK to play hiphop songs on "Goth Night".

No, because if it were hip-hop, then it wouldn't sound like "gothic music". I'm saying that if it sounds like "Goth", then it's "Goth". Period. It's not a very complicated concept to grasp.

Unless, of course, you're looking for some spiritual definition from the music which you listen to, in which case you'd better go listen to The Beatles. After all, look what they did for Charlie.

I know of several hiphop songs that have a dark mood to them. I wonder if those would get played or not. Kelis is a good example or DJ spooky. You may say nothing would be wrong with it but try it and see what the reaction will be.

If it's a good tune, I'd say people would love it. If it's the typical be-bopping shit you hear everyday, attendees would likely mob the DJ who unleashed the song to begin with..

Any genre of music can have some artist playing songs that have a dark mood to it. By just playing any artist, you let people think"hey If he played Garth Brooks maybe he'll play Billy Ray Cyrus." Like we need that shit.

Again, if the music sounds "gothic" ... it's "gothic", whether it's from Hated Musician "A", or it's coming from a tuba that's shoved up someone's ass.

Oh and I listen to all types of music(even stuff I hate except country).

And why would you listen to music that you hate?

So I am far from blind. As for limp biskit, they still suck and wesley was the only Non-Commercial person in that band. The rest are money grubbing whores. And i like songs with originality to them and I doubt Limp Biskit's Matrix song is original.

They could go out and drop agent orange on orphanages for all I care, if they make a solid track, I'll listen to it. The majority of what Limp Bizkit produces, I dislike. However, the same can be said for any number of bands. (Orgy, Peter Murphy, Electric HellFire Club, and Skinny Puppy all come to mind.)

Furthermore, I find it hilarious when people whine and complain about a song being "original". When a musician hears a song, a riff, or a bar that he or she likes, at the very least they're going to store that information in their head, and be somewhat influenced by that. That's how music evolves.

You want original? You'll have to go a lot farther back in your musical collection to find true originality in music. Like, maybe start with some Lavern Baker and work your way back from there.

Caustic wrote:People respect quality music, whomever's making it, whether it's Limp Bizkit, Culture Kultur, or Brian Boitano.

Woo! Brian Boitano can do anything!

So what would Brian Boitano do
If he were here today?
I'm sure he'd kick an ass or two,
That's what Brian Boitano would do!

Darn, why are things so entertaining when we all argue?

And "darkdahla" who might you be?

Are you a regular attendee of KG events? Do we know you? I see that all your posts are under this heading...interesting...

Buttercup wrote:Darn, why are things so entertaining when we all argue?

Because I bring up Brian Boitano.

I would be old skool. And apparently was not around during the playing of these hiphop and (oh my god)country. I'm actually surprised by that(a rare occurence). It doesn't get played very often. So the response couldn't have been all that great because it would continue to be played wouldn't it?

As for originality, I consider people to be original when they attempt to do something that is not status quo. Such as Gary Numan leaving out bridges in his songs. To be completely original is almost impossible. Anytime you use a guitar you are using riffs blues already created.

Caustic0-- Your right about the glowsticks. I bow to your perceptiveness.

darkdahla wrote:As for originality, I consider people to be original when they attempt to do something that is not status quo. Such as Gary Numan leaving out bridges in his songs..

True - it's not like Led Zepplin did an entire song sans bridges...
Oh, wait.

My bad.



Excuse me
Oh will you excuse me
I'm just trying to find the bridge... Has anybody seen the bridge?

(Have you seen the bridge?)
I ain't seen the bridge!

(Where's that confounded bridge?)

I'd stop all my bitching forever if we could at least hear different songs by existing status quo artists. Like X said, a different Prince song. Like I said earlier, a different Smiths song. A different Cure song. A different Front 242 song. A different Sisters of Mercy song. A different Bauhaus song. Etc.

You Rock JaNell. You Rock in a Keith Richards swaggerin' Robert plant Sidestepin' Chuck Berry jivein' holy rock and roll will save your soll sort of way.

Janell, I wouldn't call Led Zeppelin status quo. Would you?

Caustic wrote:

Buttercup wrote:Darn, why are things so entertaining when we all argue?

Because I bring up Brian Boitano.

Wow who knew Brian Boitana swung that way...

Anyway as someone who is almost totally ignorant of new music (besides what is occasionally played on 90.3), I think I heard some songs I hadn't heard before at this Sanctus, but I couldn't tell you anything about them.

I think that hearing at least some new music is essential to keep oneself in tune with the times. People who stop listening to new music, staying stranded in one decade or another, will find it more and more difficult to identify with and enjoy new music. Music changes and evolves, missing out on years of this evolution makes the new species harder to grasp and understand. I love new music ... I just wish I could afford to buy it.

That being said, as a erstwhile dancer (not by any stretch of the imagination in CD's league) I also like to hear old music. This is because if there is a dramatic pause in the music, I want to know about it so I am not still spazzing out while everyone else has stopped and are posing dramatically. I find that highly embarrassing, though recovered by more dancing...heh

Anyway, my thoughts are that I like the spectrum of music that is, surrounds or touches on being goth...the continuity from the new to the old helps keep it both fresh and entertaining for me. Striking that balance is never easy, but then that's why I pay a professional for his or her services at the door.