Whats up with the masons, yo?

I was always told they were sort of a christian mafia of sorts...not that they get into violence, but having connections within can help you get a job, etc.

I don't believe that illuminati shit.

Why are they so mysterious??

I've known a few old men that were masons, they didn't seem particularly scary or anything...

Your opinions please...

where to start ??? haha

this is going to be a VERY vrief overview.

Ok. The origonal church of jerusalem was founded by James the brother of Jesus. The church was formed around gnostic like teachings that of course were ... unacceptable... by the Romans and conventional teachings from Paul (the founder of Christianity as we know it.) These people were wanted dead, So the Romans invaded Jerusalem and killed EVERYONE. At the "last stand" the jews burried every thing they had under the main temple in a vast network of tunnels. These tunnels contained everything from riches to a piece of the p illar of Enoch. (look it up ... im not going into that hehe) which has said to contain teachings of "Sacred Geometry" which were also practiced by the Egyptians (very interesting). ANYWAY... everyone died and the jews were scattered about europe. And this brought about the Dark Ages. The curch basicle said NO to learning. Some of the Jews settled in scotland where they built a small replica of the origonal temple. Thiis was set up by a small noble family who eventually came to take part in the Crusades. After the first crusade, Jerusalem was susccesfully captured by the Europeans and Herrods temple was the base for operations (which also stood on the same spot as the origonal temple of Jerusalem) A few guys who happened to be part of the families in scotland who had survived the romans attack, of course this is almost a thousand years later, set up an organization called the Knights Templar who swore to protect the temple and the church. This, of course, was only a guise for their real intentions. Which were to dig beneath the temple for the treasure below. Eventually the Knights Templar became a very rich organization (hmm wonder how) well to make a long story short.. the holy land was eventually lost and the knights were relocted to France. The knights were eventually exposed as heretics and murdered for their gnostic beliefs during the inqusition. . The Grand master of the Knights Joque(spelling?) de Molay at the time was exposed and ritualisicly crucified (the shroud of Turin... look it up) and the Knights were disbanned. The few knights who survived set up what was known as FreeMasonry in parts of Europe mainly Britain. Masonry still practiced the teachings of the Origonal Church of Jerusalem... the Origonal teachings of Jesus... like I have said before were heretical. They were heretical not only because of their beliefs but because of the power the church could lose. The Origonal Church of Jerusalem was founded on the throne of David... where as the Roman Catholic Church was founded on the "Holiness" of paul. So you can see why the Knights Templar/Masons needed to keep everything so secret. They merely wanted to keep their heads (literaly) and ensure the survival of their beliefs. This was of course all destroyed in ... 17something around 1741 I believe when during a power hungry struggle for the throne of Britain all previous knowledge was ordered erased by the Grand Master. Hence the whole golden year from which nothing is known about what happened before in Masonry. Now what is left of masonry is just a gentlemans club. kinda sad isnt it.

If you want to know the facts as I am unable to present them to you. Please check the scientifical book The second Messiah by Christopher Knight

Buttercup wrote:Whats up with the masons, yo?

I was always told they were sort of a christian mafia of sorts...not that they get into violence, but having connections within can help you get a job, etc.

err more complex than that, and they will go into violence. ive seen that.... mafia bad word.... but right idea

I don't believe that illuminati shit.

the illuminati is a bedtime story. theres ZERO proof of its existance.

Why are they so mysterious??

keeps the organization alive. the real one anyway. that and since the beginning its been required.

I've known a few old men that were masons, they didn't seem particularly scary or anything...
Your opinions please...

noize: a gentlemens club?? wow. congrats. youve been bought and sold into propaganda. dig deeper.thx for a VERY accurate history. even got the knights of the templar in there, im impressed.and noize, ive got alot of pictures of relics of the Knights dug up in an search a few years back if your interested. i just gotta find em.and you spelled Joque de Molay correct.

there are different branches though. if they said the were masons, chances are they are shriners (and organization started by the masons as a tax write off and as a way to deflect knoweldge of the real order being alive). what a great way to deflect attn. think of the guys wearing a fez that bug you when driving.

my dads entire family have been gun-ho masons for many many generations, we are really deep into the history, and i wont answer anyones questions unless they are in person for obvious reasons.

alot of the random rumors about a group that controls massive $$$$ and has most of the politicans in the country in their pocket and are involved with most international affairs ARE ALL TRUE.
they just fuck up and say the illuminati. it doesnt exist. this does. period.

the modern form of the masons are just fucking weird truth be told..

junkie christ wrote:
noize: a gentlemens club?? wow. congrats. youve been bought and sold into propaganda. dig deeper.thx for a VERY accurate history. even got the knights of the templar in there, im impressed.and noize, ive got alot of pictures of relics of the Knights dug up in an search a few years back if your interested. i just gotta find em.and you spelled Joque de Molay correct.

I try ... I dont really know much about the current state of the Masons. So far I have only studied their history. So I would definately like to get in touch with you some time to talk about it. Just another interesting fact... George Washington was a mason

was just poking ribs actually. they make people believe that if possible. keeps things more "who cares??" when people bring it up...
they like that alot. make people think its old guys that play golf. and they do. and they make a hella lot big judgements on the course knowing noone wants to mic some yuppy scum on a golf course. really secure...
hehe....
i can help out some, but what im allowed to speak of may not be the most helpful...

My best friends dad is a mason and we always wondered what it was all about, because he wouldnt talk about it. That is really interesting.

some corrections and additions to my above post...

The Church takes its authority from Peter not Paul

The first temple built on this site three thousand years ago was the temple of King Solomon who (as it is thought by the Masons ALONE) hired a man by the name of Hiram Abif. He does not appear anywhere in the bible (the source of all our knowledge concerning solomon) But the first few degrees of masonry especially the master degree requires the candidate to undergoe a reinactment of Hiram Abif's murder as a way of bringing the candidate to a form of spiritual death and being arrisen to a new life.

Herods temple was built on the exact same spot as the Temple of Solomon. It was destroyed in AD 70, only four years after its completeion by the Romans at which time the Church of Jerusalem burried thier sacred scrolls.

The Establishment of the United Grand Lodge was in 1717

Other interesting facts:
the only absolute requirements for enductment into Freemasonry is a belief in God (any god BTW) and that you must be a male of 21 years and of solid body and mind.

Jacques De Molay (we were both wrong junkie!) was murdered on ... Friday October 13th 1307 ... ever since friday the 13th of any month has been viewed as an unlucky day.

pretty interesting stuff

Noise wrote:some corrections and additions to my above post...

The Church takes its authority from Peter not Paul

The first temple built on this site three thousand years ago was the temple of King Solomon who (as it is thought by the Masons ALONE) hired a man by the name of Hiram Abif. He does not appear anywhere in the bible (the source of all our knowledge concerning solomon) But the first few degrees of masonry especially the master degree requires the candidate to undergoe a reinactment of Hiram Abif's murder as a way of bringing the candidate to a form of spiritual death and being arrisen to a new life.

Herods temple was built on the exact same spot as the Temple of Solomon. It was destroyed in AD 70, only four years after its completeion by the Romans at which time the Church of Jerusalem burried thier sacred scrolls.

The Establishment of the United Grand Lodge was in 1717

Other interesting facts:
the only absolute requirements for enductment into Freemasonry is a belief in God (any god BTW) and that you must be a male of 21 years and of solid body and mind.

Jacques De Molay (we were both wrong junkie!) was murdered on ... Friday October 13th 1307 ... ever since friday the 13th of any month has been viewed as an unlucky day.

pretty interesting stuff

DAMN! and that totally sounded right to me too.
and the any god clause is not really looked at anymore. now its more like any judeo-chirstian god. sometimes islam. outside of that, ive never seen a current member in another faith. but im also willing to bet alot of them lie about it too. ive always wondered exactly why Herod's temple was put on the same spot though. ive never read a reason i like.

Noise wrote:some corrections and additions to my above post...

Other interesting facts:
the only absolute requirements for enductment into Freemasonry is a belief in God (any god BTW) and that you must be a male of 21 years and of solid body and mind.

I believe there is also a requirement that a candidate have a sponsor currently in good standing as a Mason. I thought it might actually have to be a blood relative, but I am not positive. And they don't take pagans in ( no Greenman/Thoth/Set or Odin worshipers allowed). You have to be based in the Judeo-Christian god mythos. I actually asked about that one. They even seem rather shady around here as to allowing muslim men in.
I had a period in my life seemingly devoted to meeting Masons. I attended a Mason's funeral with a chorally inclined friend to get some free dinner. Then it turns out I had some Mason relatives. Then the guy who sold me my car turned out to be a Mason too. It was a bit creepy.
~ Miss Mystery

oneof thier local scams is for a doctor to over perscipe to his paitents so his brother mason at the pharmacy makes more money, then the patient dies and his other mason brother at the funeral home makes some money.

junkie christ wrote:

Buttercup wrote:

I don't believe that illuminati shit.

the illuminati is a bedtime story. theres ZERO proof of its existence.

Illuminati...bedtime story? I'm sorry, but no...not quite. While I understand your point of no proof...it's not accurate to say it's a bedtime story. If you want proof, I have a few carbon-copies of documents about Project: Stratus, & Project: Iron Cell that might change your mind. I'll explain how I got them in a more convenient way.

As for the Knights Templar/Free Masons, everything sounds about right. I find it sad that everyone really believes that the Knights Templar doesn't exist anymore. Then who the hell are the men in black & red robes w/ the Knights Templar signet rings there John Paul?

What does anyone know about Alpha Pi Alpha? All I can get on this, other than the front, is the mass amount of members of the Tri-Lateral committee once belonged to the Frat. What can anyone else dig up?

Side Note: With all due respect for you actually knowing your shit, Noise, I do have to pet you on the head for the "gentlemen's Club" comment. Sorry, I had to.

Something I forgot to add. In the late 1800's there where "infernal" masons. Lucifitarian Free Masons. I have a tombstone of one I want to make into a coffee table. And with that information, next time you pass by the mason lodge on Kingston Pike, check out the symbol by the door. Look for the PENTIGRAM "cleverly" disguised. Whatever........