So I'm just wondering...
If someone flings poo (starts crap) with you, is it wrong to fling it back?
Cause, sometimes I see people get slammed (put down/ Boycotted/ Judged wrongly) because they retaliated after a poo fling. I myself think if one is attacked or harassed then they should be able to seek their revenge, and not half to appologize to the public for their actions. But,eh, that's just me. Opinions???

Revenge or Retaliation is a waste for me. It tends to prolong the problems. A does something B and b feels like they have to do something back. So B does something to A and A says oh hell no and does something to B.

And it never ends.

Eventually A and B's friends get in on the act because you know A or B is their bestest of friend and well.....

Revenge only compounds problems, it never solves them.

Secondly it's a matter of personal peace of mind. Obcessing over people is a spiritual drain. You think about them and what you can do to them and in time it eclipses all other thought. you get upset and angry not so much becasue of what that person did to you, but rather thinking about what that person does to you.

In effect, you become a slave to your own perceptions.

In short and in effect I feel that people would be happier if they just learn to let go.

Ignoring bad behavior only encourages it.

I tend to let people yammer for a while - everyone has asshole days - but when it becomes chronic or abusive, it's a problem. If it's a destructive bald-faced lie, it's a problem.

What I don't understand is how people constantly make excuses for the poo flingers, liars, and name callers. Please, we're all under some sort of stress or another. Just because someone is nice to you (for the moment) doesn't mean that they're not a complete shit to other people, and really, who wants friends that treat anyone that way?

Two words: personal consequence

Most people do some horrible, shitty things to people, even some they consider friend. They never have to answer for what they do, so therefore the behavior continues... I think this is what causes a lot of problems in life in general, as well as relationships. If people would look at the consequence (or be affected by those consequences for that matter) that would put a quick end to it... but that opens up a whole can of worms... because then who is there to deem what is ethically right or legal.... bah... I just believe in higher standards in honor than to get involved in drama... There has to be a line in the sand somewhere... might as well be me (and yeah, I'm doing this in the same situation I'm in right now....)

I'd say everyone's been guilty of it at some point in time, & if they haven't, wait. Their opportunity will come. Now this doesn't make it right, mind you. But I don't know a single soul who can walk around, living their life being right ALL the time. Everybody has the "asshole days" but if it starts to become too much of a trend, you may have a blossoming fulltime asshole on your hands. If so, respond appropriately by your own standards.

I do recommend trying to determine why someone feels it necessary to flex their asshole muscles. If it's merely a situational thing, maybe the situation can be adapted to make it no longer necessary to flex said muscles. If it's a conflict with another individual, I recommend at least attempting to talk your way through it. That's not always possible, however, or advisable, depending on the circumstances. Sometimes they must figuratively fall off the face of the earth to you.

The whole "dead to me" game can be quite effectatious. In school, the teachers say to ignore inappropriate behavior, since often the behavior is merely being exhibited to get attention or to try to start something with someone. If the bait is never taken, the fishes are free to swim around as they please. If you rise to a baited situation, you're giving the adversary precisely what they want. They can then take your response to them out of context as a provocation of your own & proceed to play the victim after orchestrating the entire drama. I see small children do this quite often, & some just never seem to outgrow it.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to your question, sweetie. It's an individual decision, but that indiviual has to live with the consequences of that situation. As long as you are ok with the consequences of your own acts, proceed as you will. It would be advantageous to pause before launching into a defensive attack, however. When decisions are made in the heat of the moment, sure they may be justified, but that doesn't undo the damage caused by them. If you constantly spout about being victimized & how bad "they" are, soon you forget how to be positive about anything at all, & folks don't look forward to spending time with you as they may have previously. It's lonely to be angry all the time.

I personally try to dodge & weave as much as my round persona will allow. When I find myself being baited by unfriendly folks, I gladly retreat to other waters. If you want me for nothing more than to suffer your wrath, you don't want me. I'll move on along to greener pastures & leave you to your drama, which you obviously enjoy more than my humble company.

And as for flinging poo, it's too messy, stinky, & rude. Surely we can find better ways to spend time!

after knowing ibbie for a while.......
poop flinging and shit starting are two different things to creatures who would [b[really[/b] fling poop.

Operant conditioning is what they need. If someone is being an ass, just psychologicly mark them and go on your way. Take your issuses out on the person you have the issues with (no need to ENLIST help).
If everyone would do that there would be no wars, just a bunch of bar fights.

I fling poo.......but only back at people....I never initiate poo flinging......

Hmmm...I don't think I've ever started major shit, but I have delt it back. If the person doesn't like shit, they shouldn't have started it in the first place. Karma, yo.

And yeah it's immature, but I consider the source first. If it's just someone letting off some steam, or if I know what they say is true, I let it go. But often it's just plain shit. And that is when the poo is flung...

I spent a good number of years hanging around a hippy commune, which is not far from my parents farm.
One may not think a "Goth" community and a hippy commune would be to similar, but they are very much similar. The difference is in the goth community, there isn't a communal piece of land.
It amazes me how communities form. through individuals with similar tastes, styles, ideals..ect.. And how much drama is created within the communities.
IF persona A has a problem with person B, instead of working it out amongst themselves, as INDIVIDUALS. Person A rambles at all their friends about how Person B did them wrong, or is doing the community a dis service over blah blah blah. And person B does the same (and often originally to the same people) Then ppl choose sides and the pooh starts flinging. I an give dozens of situations I have seen this happen. But the fact is most of it is just silly BS anyway.
So as it has been explained to me there are a couple defined groups among this community.A. the care bears, B. monkey's. C. Ppl who desperately want to be part of one group or the other. D. People who sit back and watch and could care less (you could say i belong to this group)
It was pretty much the same at the hippy commune too. though names of the groups were not adopted.
Kinda sounds like high school (the jocks, the band geeks, the freaks...ect.)
How silly!

Put me down for a D.

Then there's E. Peeps who don't fit into any of the above mentioned catagories.

I care, though I don't call myself a care bear. I wanna come out & have a good time, but I can't dance on the backs of others (they're too bumpy & I might fall off!). I want to see everyone having a swell time & all worries left at the door. I also expect professional behavior from all those who are in positions of authority.

I guess my role as mom makes it too easy for me to see when some of the folks aren't playing nicely with others, & yes, I have been known to scold folks on occasion, though mostly, I just laugh it off. I don't like seeing anyone picked on & that includes, bears, monkeys, lions, tigers, & grasshoppers. (Oh my!)

In the end, any publicity is good publicity, even if it is being called a dramatic bunch of goths. Just keep coming out, spending your money, & logging on for the next episode of "As the Sunsphere Turns! " Knoxville's goth soap opera, starring lots of monkeys, bears, & hot chicks in fetish gear! Woo Hoo! What's not to like?

You all are some hating poo flinging people. So why not just learn to forget and forgive? Or is it in the process?



We can all write our letters to the public on who screwed who later. I think I'll pass on mine though.

I don't fling poo. I fling bleach and disinfectant, but dirty ass monkies can't keep the place from reaking. I can forgive and forget, just stop shiting everywhere.