Cool ghost video...what do you think?
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Wait... where was the "cool" part?
Interesting that they didn't talk to a single person who offered up any type of skepticism at all.
Several of them were parlor tricks (most of which were badly done), and some were just electromagnetic anomalies.
The most telling thing, though, is when people say things like, "I know it was a ghost," or "Until someone can prove to me that it isn't..." You know, if you're already convinced something is real, no amount of rationality or explanation is going to get to you.
Interesting thing...
Experiments have been done that show that long-term exposure to certain electromagnetic fields and sound sound frequencies cause feelings of anxiety, fright, paranoia, etc. A few people who have taken part in such experiments have even held beliefs that there was another presence in the room with them... even after the experiment is over, and even knowing that the experiment would cause such an effect.
Seriously, it's all just smoke and mirrors, people. No amount of "knowing what you saw" is ever going to change that. Ghosts are not real no matter how badly you want them to be.
Every ghost case that I know of which has been investigated by real scientists has verified natural phenomenon as the source.
Interesting that they didn't talk to a single person who offered up any type of skepticism at all.
Several of them were parlor tricks (most of which were badly done), and some were just electromagnetic anomalies.
The most telling thing, though, is when people say things like, "I know it was a ghost," or "Until someone can prove to me that it isn't..." You know, if you're already convinced something is real, no amount of rationality or explanation is going to get to you.
Interesting thing...
Experiments have been done that show that long-term exposure to certain electromagnetic fields and sound sound frequencies cause feelings of anxiety, fright, paranoia, etc. A few people who have taken part in such experiments have even held beliefs that there was another presence in the room with them... even after the experiment is over, and even knowing that the experiment would cause such an effect.
Seriously, it's all just smoke and mirrors, people. No amount of "knowing what you saw" is ever going to change that. Ghosts are not real no matter how badly you want them to be.
Every ghost case that I know of which has been investigated by real scientists has verified natural phenomenon as the source.
The firemen came and broke through the chimney top. And me and Mom were expecting them to pull out a dead cat or a bird. And instead they pulled out my father. He was dressed in a Santa Claus suit. He'd been climbing down the chimney... his arms loaded with presents. He was gonna surprise us. He slipped and broke his neck. He died instantly. And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus.
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It's always hard to tell whether shows/videos about ghosts show real footage or not... I myself believe in ghosts from personal experiences...whatever they turn out to be, scientifically or otherwise, I have no doubt that they're real.... but when it comes to the media and making money, you never really fuckin know...
vertigo25 wrote:Wait... where was the "cool" part?
Interesting that they didn't talk to a single person who offered up any type of skepticism at all.
Several of them were parlor tricks (most of which were badly done), and some were just electromagnetic anomalies.
The most telling thing, though, is when people say things like, "I know it was a ghost," or "Until someone can prove to me that it isn't..." You know, if you're already convinced something is real, no amount of rationality or explanation is going to get to you.
Interesting thing...
Experiments have been done that show that long-term exposure to certain electromagnetic fields and sound sound frequencies cause feelings of anxiety, fright, paranoia, etc. A few people who have taken part in such experiments have even held beliefs that there was another presence in the room with them... even after the experiment is over, and even knowing that the experiment would cause such an effect.
Seriously, it's all just smoke and mirrors, people. No amount of "knowing what you saw" is ever going to change that. Ghosts are not real no matter how badly you want them to be.
Every ghost case that I know of which has been investigated by real scientists has verified natural phenomenon as the source.
I’m on a number of ghost hunting forums, daily. This was just a video that one of the people I know posted. We have had fun talking about it. It’s only for entertainment. For the most part I agree with you.....except for the fact that I base my opinions on my own experiences....and believe it or not I HAVE seen a real ghost...and it changed my life and beliefs. This happened when I was 17....and before any drug use. The person with me saw the same thing, and there is NO QUESTION in my mind what WE saw. There was, and will be, no other explanation for it. Since then I have had a few other "questionable" encounters.....but nothing like the full manifestation that we witnessed. It was real. Very real. .....but as far as the video.....I certainly don’t trust anything the media puts out....and 99% of what goes on is smoke & mirrors.....or IS IT? I only know what I HAVE seen personally. I truly believe in ghosts and have spent allot of time studying about their existence on many scientific levels. Regardless, each to his own opinion. Just thought the video was fun to watch.
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When I was around 10 or 11 I had several experiences that most people would call "hauntings." I won't go in to details, but I will say that when I tell the stories, most people who believe in ghosts will say that it sure sounds like a ghost who had attached itself to me. There were even two times when I saw what appeared to be a young man in our house. My entire family experienced several things, including moving objects, odd sounds and visual phenomena.
Until I was in my late 20s I believed whole heartedly in ghosts... that is... actual spirits. Until a couple of years ago, I changed to believing that they weren't necessarily spirits, but that maybe "psychic impressions" could be left behind, yadda, yadda.
The more I've gotten into skepticism and logical reasoning, though, the more I realize that from a scientific view, no "paranormal" activity passes muster as something beyond the realms of normal science. I've also come to realize that because science doesn't have a definitive answer for something, or an answer that satisfies "true believers'" level of "proof," does not meant that the answer has to be "paranormal." (not sure if that made sense... I'm in a lot of pain right now... abscess tooth or something).
I think that the scientific community has done a very poor job educating people on what real science is. Because of that we have people who want science to disprove things (not the job of the scientist) and believe that the word "theory" means the same thing as "guess."
I've experienced a great deal of things in my life that many people say science has no answer for, although, really, it does... they would just rather believe in ghosts, spirits, psychic abilities (okay... so I still think there may some truth to certain ESP abilities), gods, and faeries. I even believed it myself for quite some time. The truth is that the evidence just doesn't add up. Our perceptions of things are not nearly as reliable as we believe them to be, nor is our interpretation of certain events.
Until I was in my late 20s I believed whole heartedly in ghosts... that is... actual spirits. Until a couple of years ago, I changed to believing that they weren't necessarily spirits, but that maybe "psychic impressions" could be left behind, yadda, yadda.
The more I've gotten into skepticism and logical reasoning, though, the more I realize that from a scientific view, no "paranormal" activity passes muster as something beyond the realms of normal science. I've also come to realize that because science doesn't have a definitive answer for something, or an answer that satisfies "true believers'" level of "proof," does not meant that the answer has to be "paranormal." (not sure if that made sense... I'm in a lot of pain right now... abscess tooth or something).
I think that the scientific community has done a very poor job educating people on what real science is. Because of that we have people who want science to disprove things (not the job of the scientist) and believe that the word "theory" means the same thing as "guess."
I've experienced a great deal of things in my life that many people say science has no answer for, although, really, it does... they would just rather believe in ghosts, spirits, psychic abilities (okay... so I still think there may some truth to certain ESP abilities), gods, and faeries. I even believed it myself for quite some time. The truth is that the evidence just doesn't add up. Our perceptions of things are not nearly as reliable as we believe them to be, nor is our interpretation of certain events.
The firemen came and broke through the chimney top. And me and Mom were expecting them to pull out a dead cat or a bird. And instead they pulled out my father. He was dressed in a Santa Claus suit. He'd been climbing down the chimney... his arms loaded with presents. He was gonna surprise us. He slipped and broke his neck. He died instantly. And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus.
I agree. But also, just because science can’t prove something, or disprove it doesn’t mean that is the entire scope of "reality"...basically its kind of the afterlife thingy. I really don’t worry about it because I will never know until I die...and maybe even then I won’t. But until then, I don’t discount anything. Like I said, I base my opinions on exp. The exp. I have had lead me to believe in spirits of the deceased can possibly move between the realms of our reality, or even get trapped here. As far as what the "scientific community" says is possible is bullshit to me. Why? (and this has nothing to do with our discussion of ghosts)...goes back to politics. I have been doing extensive research (with a group of educated people) on Aeather energy, quantum physics...free energy......that for the past 100 yrs has been discounted, banned, stolen and shoved under the carpet for political and $$$ reasons.....but the things that are possible are unlimited and there...and before, I would have never given these theories a second glance because they contradict all that we have been told by "modern science"...for a reason. The same reason the railroads were ripped out of the ground by the 3 big motor companies long ago. $$$. Greed. My point? Just because science doesn’t prove or disprove anything does not make it a reality in the greater spectrum of possibility within the vast connections of entire existence of all that there is. Who knows what the vast scope of time, space, levels of existence and realms of changeable energy is capable of? All im saying is: To completely say that it isn’t a possibility is closing the mind. None of us know what all the answers are.....and I try not to close myself off to any of them.
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Why did this get moved to the dumpster?
Not that I expect a serious answer from such a little man, but you know...
Not that I expect a serious answer from such a little man, but you know...
The firemen came and broke through the chimney top. And me and Mom were expecting them to pull out a dead cat or a bird. And instead they pulled out my father. He was dressed in a Santa Claus suit. He'd been climbing down the chimney... his arms loaded with presents. He was gonna surprise us. He slipped and broke his neck. He died instantly. And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus.
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So, because you can't change everyone's view, why bother debating something? There will always be people who believe in creationism (not matter what they're calling it these days). Should I stop asserting the truth of evolution? There will always be people who believe in fascism. I suppose it's not worth it to try to get them to see the error of their ways, either.
Yes... you're right... debate is silly because you can't possibly change everyone's mind.
And thank god for skeptics. It raises the bar of proof. It begs that things not be based on merely the beliefs of others. It initiates a discussion that says, "Show me your evidence."
So no... if they really are spirits, then it can be proven. Prove it... with real scientific methodology, and there will be no real skeptics.
Yes... you're right... debate is silly because you can't possibly change everyone's mind.
And thank god for skeptics. It raises the bar of proof. It begs that things not be based on merely the beliefs of others. It initiates a discussion that says, "Show me your evidence."
So no... if they really are spirits, then it can be proven. Prove it... with real scientific methodology, and there will be no real skeptics.
The firemen came and broke through the chimney top. And me and Mom were expecting them to pull out a dead cat or a bird. And instead they pulled out my father. He was dressed in a Santa Claus suit. He'd been climbing down the chimney... his arms loaded with presents. He was gonna surprise us. He slipped and broke his neck. He died instantly. And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus.
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I was referring to the topic of ghosts... I wasn't implying that it's useless to debate EVERYTHING... It would be rather difficult for me to prove that my experiences were real via the internet, I have no evidence to show you, I haven't had any experiences in a while, and i'm not near the areas where they happened to gather evidence... We could sit here and type back n forth all night and neither of us would come to any successful conclusions except for the ones that we already have made for ourselves. I'm only a human and I know that MY experiences were real. I'm sure some people's perceptions of a ghost can be the result of drug use, schizophrenia, tricks of the mind, atmospheric changes, what the fuck ever... whether mine were any of the afore-mentioned or not, i'm not the ultimate bearer of all fucking knowledge... I accept the fact that there are some things that cannot be explained. It's possible that science may explain it to some degree, but scientists, who are also only human, do not have the ability to decode all of the puzzles of the universe.
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Listen, I have no problems with the idea that maybe... maybe ghosts might be spirits or whatever... what I can't stand, though, is the idea that it can't be debated, or that because you'll "never" convince some people, it's only a topic that should be covered by people with the same world view as yourself. And, yes... that is exactly what you're saying here.
As to you "knowing what you have experienced," we have all had experiences that fall outside the realm of what may seem "ordinary." Our personal experiences, especially in these circumstances, can not be trusted.
Even in a court of a law, eye-witness testimony is considered to be the worst kind of evidence because of it's inherent flaws. Too often we see what we want to see, and even worse, we try to explain what we saw in a relativistic way that incorporates our own belief structure.
In Quantum physics there is even the problem that observation of an event alters it... in large part because of how we observe things and try to fit them neatly into what is "possible." However, Quantum physics has proven that we don't have to observe things to apply the scientific method, apply critical thinking, or put theories under scrutiny.
If anything, we should put our own beliefs under even greater scrutiny. We can't just assert that the stronger we believe in something the more true it is, or you end up with people like the far right conservative Christians, Jihadists, Spanish Inquisition, etc.
Maybe science doesn't "have the ability to decode all of the puzzles of the universe," but it's damn sure done a better job than anything else, and will, no doubt, get closer than anything else. Why? Because it's self-correcting, self-scrutinizing. True science uses methods and operations that account for the principles of being wrong. It's not based on a belief structure that can not even be questioned.
I highly recommend two books. Both are collections of essays, all with an underlying theme about critical thinking and the pitfalls of not applying it. The books are A Devil’s Chaplain by Richard Dawkins, and How Mumbo-jumbo Conquered The World by Francis Wheen.
The Wheen book is much more entertaining, but both could actually be a bit insulting if you feel convinced that your beliefs alone are evidence enough to prove that your experiences must mean one thing, and one thing alone.
As to you "knowing what you have experienced," we have all had experiences that fall outside the realm of what may seem "ordinary." Our personal experiences, especially in these circumstances, can not be trusted.
Even in a court of a law, eye-witness testimony is considered to be the worst kind of evidence because of it's inherent flaws. Too often we see what we want to see, and even worse, we try to explain what we saw in a relativistic way that incorporates our own belief structure.
In Quantum physics there is even the problem that observation of an event alters it... in large part because of how we observe things and try to fit them neatly into what is "possible." However, Quantum physics has proven that we don't have to observe things to apply the scientific method, apply critical thinking, or put theories under scrutiny.
If anything, we should put our own beliefs under even greater scrutiny. We can't just assert that the stronger we believe in something the more true it is, or you end up with people like the far right conservative Christians, Jihadists, Spanish Inquisition, etc.
Maybe science doesn't "have the ability to decode all of the puzzles of the universe," but it's damn sure done a better job than anything else, and will, no doubt, get closer than anything else. Why? Because it's self-correcting, self-scrutinizing. True science uses methods and operations that account for the principles of being wrong. It's not based on a belief structure that can not even be questioned.
I highly recommend two books. Both are collections of essays, all with an underlying theme about critical thinking and the pitfalls of not applying it. The books are A Devil’s Chaplain by Richard Dawkins, and How Mumbo-jumbo Conquered The World by Francis Wheen.
The Wheen book is much more entertaining, but both could actually be a bit insulting if you feel convinced that your beliefs alone are evidence enough to prove that your experiences must mean one thing, and one thing alone.
The firemen came and broke through the chimney top. And me and Mom were expecting them to pull out a dead cat or a bird. And instead they pulled out my father. He was dressed in a Santa Claus suit. He'd been climbing down the chimney... his arms loaded with presents. He was gonna surprise us. He slipped and broke his neck. He died instantly. And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus.
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I'm really enjoying these conversations. I like it when people can discuss and debate without getting all "butthurt" and the thread getting locked.
I have probably been a skeptic my entire life, though I wanted to believe in a higher power and ghosts and all that stuff that makes life more full of an exact meaning...As a kid, my parents were into the ghost hunting thing. We went to various supposedly haunted places and I never saw jack shit...no matter how much I wanted to. When I was 16, I found science to be the most reasonable, rational, logical and reliable way to explain my surroundings....and 10 years later, I still find it the best way to explain most things. I think so many people believe in ghosts so much they see exactly what they want to see. The human mind is an amazing thing...especially under the influence of other factors such as drugs, little sleep, little food, etc.
I'm not afraid of their not being an afterlife, or no purpose...you make your own purpose and going back to the earth is pretty cool because like Carl Sagan said, I believe, we are made of the stuff of stars (same materials). The concept of a soul I believe is to make people who fear death all warm and fuzzy. The only time my skepticism has bothered me was when my grandfather died when i was 17. He was an atheist, yet near the end started talking about god. I wasn't sure if he did it out of fear or what, but I have a feeling he did it to make my grandmother, who I love but is probably of lesser intellect, and family feel better about his passing. At the time, I so wished that he was still around somehow. Now I realize that he lives on in my memories and others memories so the idea of him not looking down on me doesn't bother me. I don't really want grandpa watching me have sex anyways...lol.
My favorite book on rationalism is
The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan. He writes so well and makes you realize how beautiful, and amazing and awe-inspiring reality is. No need to buy into any mythologies.
Another good one is Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time by Michael Shermer. Michael Shermer is the skeptic you often see on various documentaries who probably pisses more people off than he does "convert" to critical thinking because he's sorta comes off as arrogant at times because if you thought and knew most of the world was being ridiculous, you prolly would too, lol.
I have probably been a skeptic my entire life, though I wanted to believe in a higher power and ghosts and all that stuff that makes life more full of an exact meaning...As a kid, my parents were into the ghost hunting thing. We went to various supposedly haunted places and I never saw jack shit...no matter how much I wanted to. When I was 16, I found science to be the most reasonable, rational, logical and reliable way to explain my surroundings....and 10 years later, I still find it the best way to explain most things. I think so many people believe in ghosts so much they see exactly what they want to see. The human mind is an amazing thing...especially under the influence of other factors such as drugs, little sleep, little food, etc.
I'm not afraid of their not being an afterlife, or no purpose...you make your own purpose and going back to the earth is pretty cool because like Carl Sagan said, I believe, we are made of the stuff of stars (same materials). The concept of a soul I believe is to make people who fear death all warm and fuzzy. The only time my skepticism has bothered me was when my grandfather died when i was 17. He was an atheist, yet near the end started talking about god. I wasn't sure if he did it out of fear or what, but I have a feeling he did it to make my grandmother, who I love but is probably of lesser intellect, and family feel better about his passing. At the time, I so wished that he was still around somehow. Now I realize that he lives on in my memories and others memories so the idea of him not looking down on me doesn't bother me. I don't really want grandpa watching me have sex anyways...lol.
My favorite book on rationalism is
The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan. He writes so well and makes you realize how beautiful, and amazing and awe-inspiring reality is. No need to buy into any mythologies.
Another good one is Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time by Michael Shermer. Michael Shermer is the skeptic you often see on various documentaries who probably pisses more people off than he does "convert" to critical thinking because he's sorta comes off as arrogant at times because if you thought and knew most of the world was being ridiculous, you prolly would too, lol.
if the existence of "god", "gods", higher powers, the afterlife, spirits, and/or all of the above were to be proven, in no uncertain terms, and accepted by scientists worldwide, only a handful of people would throw away their old testaments, their bibles, their bracka-bracka of spiritual texts.
why? because someone would 'believe' differently than the facts that hard evidence had set on the proverbial table.
as far as i'm concerned, that's all well and good. people can believe what they want. they have the constitutional right to appear on tv and look goofy, even if the constitution doesn't come right out and say it that way.
frankly, i believe what scientific study and knowledge tells me. if someone 'knows' they'll somehow be magically transported to a garden full of fruit, liquor, and willing virgins upon their eventual demise, i tend to keep a wary eye on them, and suspect that they spend a good period of their life eating paint chips and trying on explosive vests in front of a mirror.
that is not to say that one shouldn't be open-minded; quite the opposite, in fact. i think there's a good chance that science will be able to explain any number of 'mysteries' and 'mythologies' that we encounter on a daily basis.
hell, if we can make pigs that glow green in the dark, what's so difficult about figuring out the rest of life's dirty little secrets? all in good time, i say.
why? because someone would 'believe' differently than the facts that hard evidence had set on the proverbial table.
as far as i'm concerned, that's all well and good. people can believe what they want. they have the constitutional right to appear on tv and look goofy, even if the constitution doesn't come right out and say it that way.
frankly, i believe what scientific study and knowledge tells me. if someone 'knows' they'll somehow be magically transported to a garden full of fruit, liquor, and willing virgins upon their eventual demise, i tend to keep a wary eye on them, and suspect that they spend a good period of their life eating paint chips and trying on explosive vests in front of a mirror.
that is not to say that one shouldn't be open-minded; quite the opposite, in fact. i think there's a good chance that science will be able to explain any number of 'mysteries' and 'mythologies' that we encounter on a daily basis.
hell, if we can make pigs that glow green in the dark, what's so difficult about figuring out the rest of life's dirty little secrets? all in good time, i say.
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I kind of agree with Richard Feynman on the whole "open minded" business: "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out."
Having an open mind never means that you should put aside reason. If something seems to defy rational explanation, then you probably aren't applying rationality very well.
This is not to say that there are not things that science has not figured out yet. In fact, there are a great many things which science has no definitive answer for. That doesn't mean that the answer is outside of the realm of natural phenomenon.
Having an open mind never means that you should put aside reason. If something seems to defy rational explanation, then you probably aren't applying rationality very well.
This is not to say that there are not things that science has not figured out yet. In fact, there are a great many things which science has no definitive answer for. That doesn't mean that the answer is outside of the realm of natural phenomenon.
The firemen came and broke through the chimney top. And me and Mom were expecting them to pull out a dead cat or a bird. And instead they pulled out my father. He was dressed in a Santa Claus suit. He'd been climbing down the chimney... his arms loaded with presents. He was gonna surprise us. He slipped and broke his neck. He died instantly. And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus.
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That's an excellent point, Asher. Mysteries are fun, and you're right not everything *has* to be explained.
The firemen came and broke through the chimney top. And me and Mom were expecting them to pull out a dead cat or a bird. And instead they pulled out my father. He was dressed in a Santa Claus suit. He'd been climbing down the chimney... his arms loaded with presents. He was gonna surprise us. He slipped and broke his neck. He died instantly. And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus.
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Police See Paranormal Activity in Pub
From Associated Press
April 25, 2006 3:57 PM EDT
LONDON - British police responding to a call about a possible break in at a pub in northern England Monday found themselves in the middle of a ghoulish riddle.
Officers arrived at the Low Valley Arms pub near Barnsley in South Yorkshire, 250 miles north of London, after being told the alarm had been set off, but instead of finding any signs of a robbery, they were faced with a shaken landlord convinced he had encountered a ghost with half a face missing in the ladies washroom.
Though they saw no ghoul- described as a woman in flowing white gown- officers were shocked to find toilets flushing themselves, said Inspector John Bowler of South Yorkshire Police.
Pub landlord Roger Froggat, 55, and his wife Kathryn, 49, moved in a year ago and said they had seen nothing before, despite rumors of a resident specter.
"I heard the alarm go off for a second time, went into the pub and all the television screens had turned on," the pub owner said.
"I went to check the rest of the pub and standing in the women's lavatories was a woman with half her face missing. I was petrified."
Officers found no signs of forced entry and were left quite scared, Bowler added.
Since the ghost story became public, the pub has become the talk of the town, attracting everyone from mediums to a national television film crew determined to catch a glimpse of the mystery woman should she appear again.
Despite their shock, the Froggats said they have no plans to leave their village pub.
From Associated Press
April 25, 2006 3:57 PM EDT
LONDON - British police responding to a call about a possible break in at a pub in northern England Monday found themselves in the middle of a ghoulish riddle.
Officers arrived at the Low Valley Arms pub near Barnsley in South Yorkshire, 250 miles north of London, after being told the alarm had been set off, but instead of finding any signs of a robbery, they were faced with a shaken landlord convinced he had encountered a ghost with half a face missing in the ladies washroom.
Though they saw no ghoul- described as a woman in flowing white gown- officers were shocked to find toilets flushing themselves, said Inspector John Bowler of South Yorkshire Police.
Pub landlord Roger Froggat, 55, and his wife Kathryn, 49, moved in a year ago and said they had seen nothing before, despite rumors of a resident specter.
"I heard the alarm go off for a second time, went into the pub and all the television screens had turned on," the pub owner said.
"I went to check the rest of the pub and standing in the women's lavatories was a woman with half her face missing. I was petrified."
Officers found no signs of forced entry and were left quite scared, Bowler added.
Since the ghost story became public, the pub has become the talk of the town, attracting everyone from mediums to a national television film crew determined to catch a glimpse of the mystery woman should she appear again.
Despite their shock, the Froggats said they have no plans to leave their village pub.
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