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fake abortion clinics = fucked up

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:43 am
by karmakaze
When a 17-year-old Indiana girl walked into what she thought was
a Planned Parenthood clinic, her mother and boyfriend beside
her, she never imagined that it was a trap -- a deceitful setup
by anti-choice zealots.

You can read her alarming story below -- including how people
from the fake clinic came to her high school and publicly
humiliated her -- but it's not an isolated incident.

The anti-choice movement is setting up so-called "crisis
pregnancy centers" across the country. Some of them have
neutral-sounding names and run ads that falsely promise the full
range of reproductive health services, but dispense anti-choice
propaganda and intimidation instead. And according to The New
York Times, there are currently more of these centers in the
U.S. than there are actual abortion providers!*

A bill has just been introduced in Congress to stop the
fraudulent practices of fake clinics, but it desperately needs
more support.

Tell your representative to take a stand: anti-choice extremists
must not get away with this any longer! Click here to contact
your representative:
http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/fake_clinics2/

The Story: An Indiana mother recently accompanied her daughter
and her daughter's boyfriend to one of Indiana's Planned
Parenthood clinics, but they unwittingly walked into a "crisis
pregnancy center" run by an anti-abortion group -- one that
shared a parking lot with the real Planned Parenthood clinic,
and was designed expressly to lure our patients and deceive
them.

The group took down the girl's confidential personal information
and told her to come back for her appointment, which they said
would be in their "other office" (the real Planned Parenthood
office nearby). When she arrived for her appointment, not only
did the Planned Parenthood staff have no record of her, but the
police were there -- the "crisis pregnancy center" had called
them, claiming that a minor was being forced to have an abortion
against her will.

The "crisis pregnancy center" staff then proceeded to wage a
campaign of intimidation and harassment over the following days,
showing up at the girl's home and calling her father's
workplace. Our clinic director reports that she was "scared to
death to leave her house." They even went to her school and
urged classmates to pressure her not to have an abortion.

This cruel and fraudulent behavior shows exactly what's behind
the proliferation of these centers. That's why this new bill is
so important: it would make it illegal for any entity to
advertise abortion services if it does not provide such
services.

Worse yet -- the Bush administration has used $60 million in
taxpayer dollars to fund these propaganda machines. This has got
to stop!

Help bring attention to this outrageous practice. Please contact
your representative today!

Click here:
http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/fake_clinics2

With your help, we can put an end to the fraud and deceit that
women across America are facing in their most vulnerable
moments.

Sincerely,

Cecile Richards
President
Planned Parenthood Federation of America

* "Some Abortion Foes Forgo Politics for Quiet Talk", New York
Times, 1/16/2006. The article reports that there are 2,300-3,500
crisis pregnancy centers nationwide, compared with about 1,800
abortion providers.

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:04 am
by ZKitten
thats seriously fucked up,
so not cool! :cry:

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:38 am
by Serenity
Things like this just fire me up so much that I just want to scream. I really ish i could comment on this subject but I am so angry, I don't believe I could even speak correctly.

Enough said...

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:57 am
by Bigun
I myself am pro-life to an extent.... but that's just lunacy....

I hope some form of legal action could be taken.

I'm sure some pro-life person would enjoy walking into a church and see that the sermon consisted of mutilating small puppies in the baptismal pool.

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:36 pm
by vertigo25
Fake tent revivals anyone?

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:03 pm
by vertigo25
OMFG!

You know, when I first read this, I honestly was skeptical. I went and checked it out at Snopes, and followed karmakaze's links, and discovered that this was for real.

Then, wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt, I started looking more into it. I searched for "crisis pregnancy center" rather than "fake abortion clinic" because I figured that I would get more results that told their side of it. Both sides of the abortion debate have a tendency to be very dramatic in their spin, and I could honestly see how the pro-choicers could present things to make these places look bad.

Looking over the results, most of which really are these "pregnancy crisis center," makes my skin crawl. They really do use horrible tactics including subterfuge.

The most damning thing, though was this page at Feminist Women's Health Center. FWHC is a pro-choice organization, but on that page they point out how a lot of the "pregnancy crisis centers" use these same subterfuge tactics on the internet. And get this... prochoice.com is an ANTI-abortion page... a really, really awful one, too (I don't just mean the crappy design, either).

Congratulations, pro-lifers! You've turned me into a full-fledged pro-choicer... nay... even an anti-pro-lifer. I have always stayed somewhat in the middle. I've always said things like, "Well, you have to ask where the choice is made," and, "I don't believe abortion should be illegal, but if I were a woman, I wouldn't do it."

I will never say anything like that again. Never. I am firmly on the pro-choice side now.

This tactic makes me incapable of ever believing anything the pro-life movement ever says again. From now on, your statistics mean nothing to me. You are liars. If your cause was worthy of my attention, you would not have to go to such extremes.

ARGH.

Sorry for the rant, folks. I just can't believe I ever gave these people any form of credibility. I'm now thinking about how they would gather around clinics and yell at women going inside, and how I would always say, "Well, that's wrong, but I think it's just a few very passionate, very radical people." Or how I thought that the abortion-clinic bombings were coming from the fringe.

I can't believe how much I've deluded myself.

I may not support every single thing that the pro-choice movement does, but I'll be damned sure to oppose anything that the pro-life movement does from here on out.

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:29 pm
by ZKitten
i used to walk to work in the mornings when i lived in Providence, right by a Planned Parenthood clinic
i saw what those prolife-ers were like,
they harrass the girls who go in, threten them, scream, its horrible, if you could see or hear the things that were done to the girls who had to be escorted into the clinics by small armys of police officers,...
its scary!

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:33 pm
by darkvader
Remember, the enemy is not "pro life", they're anti-choice.

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:50 pm
by Hardcoregirl
This issue strikes close to home for me, since I was a mother at the age of 14.

My sons dad, very prolife, had a friend who had regretted her choice take me to a Women's Crisis Center.

They had free pregnancy tests y'know.

I remember they first told me "thank you for not killing your baby" and then "your babies heart has been beating for x weeks" and showing me pictures asap of a well formed baby, etc. etc.

They told me that if I had my son, so much assistance would be available from them and I wouldn't have to worry about a thing, it'd be cake.

They gave me a book detailing abortion techniques if very over the top, gorey details with plenty of adjectives describing the pain and torture of the fetus.

For various reasons, I decided to have my son...but..

I have never recieved any assistance of any sort from these Christian organizations that claim that everything will be fine. NOTHING, nada....nope, I have had to go to the government and secular aid organizations when things got rough.

Yeah. These places are evil. I view them as assisting in creating in many cases, neglected and abused children.

I worked in a clinic for a day, and assisted in many abortions, and half these chicks couldn't probably spell their own names, let alone parent a child appropriately.

Having known many teen moms and being one myself, it takes a very strong and independent and intelligent person to parent an unexpected child and 99 percent of those who find themselves pregnant by accident are not so.

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:54 pm
by vertigo25
Ben: You may want to change the link you give to http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/fake_clinics2

Following the link you have actually brings up your address and full name.

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:59 pm
by gothic_spleen
vertigo25 wrote:Fake tent revivals anyone?


can we set one up in athens, we need one of those down there

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:03 pm
by Coor
The point of all this is that everyone who reads it should follow the links and get to their government officials. Pro Life or not...

This is cruel, and it infringes on the rights of people. If the government allows this to happen...then soon it'll be something else, then something else.

Preserve your rights.

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:19 pm
by B_Ko
I think they should have to eat the placenta from every unwanted birth they caused.

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:11 pm
by scarecrow
Personnally, I believe everyone should have that choice. For a multitude of reasons. This world is so overpopulated as it is....ppl who don't have the sense at the time of conceptions should be able to say "hey wait....this is not what I need right now." If they can not afford it, if it is caused by rape, if their is a good chance for birth defects taht will render the child from having a normal life such as drugs, hereditary diseases, V.D.'s and what not.

Everyone should have a choice....Im not saying that it makes it right....Im not saying its a good thing to have an abortion...but there are extinuating circumstances that deserve that choice.



*gets off box*

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:30 am
by karmakaze
vertigo25 wrote:Ben: You may want to change the link you give to http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/fake_clinics2

Following the link you have actually brings up your address and full name.


done. thanks vert!

something else some of you may be interested in. do you have and idea how close this state came to women looses the right to choose regardless of the reason? (rape, incest, health issues, there were no allowances given) IT PASSED THE SENATE by a large majority. Luckly 4 democrats (ALL FEMALE) voted it down when it went to the Health Subcommittee. I sent a letter to each of them thanking them.

from my xanga posting wrote:SJR127 was voted down, which would have laid the groundwork for amending the TN constitution to specifically remove the right to abortion, failed in the Public Health Subcommittee of the House Health and Human Resources Committee on April 12th. The vote was 4-3 with 1 abstention.

voted against:
Representative Beverly Marrero (D)
Representative JoAnne Favors (D)
Representative Lois DeBerry (D)
Representative Sherry Jones (D)

i am going to take a stab in the dark and say that Mary Pruitt (the only remaining democrate) is the absentee.
and that
Representative Tre Hargett (R)
Representative Debra Maggart (R)
Representative Jason Mumpower (R)

all voted for it.
notice that 1 of the 3 Republicans is a woman. way to go trying to vote your own liberties away. I seriously don't get what the fuck some of these people are actually thinking.

The scary thing is how close women in tennessee almost lost their right to choose.
for those of you who don't know, SJR127 had already passed in the TN Senate.


I really don't understand what the big fucking deal is when it comes to abortion. i really don't. sorry, Morality is not universal. Its a personal perspective, and you can not expect everyone else to share in your beliefs. Especially when it has to do with religion, which is at the center of the abortion debate. Taking away the right to choose is religious discrimination. Plain and simple. If you don't think abortions are moral then don't have an abortion. It makes me sick how people have to set up laws to match or govern their own morality.

Issues these days are really starting to disturb me. Things are getting fucked up and something has to be done.

I can not even put into words how these people who are setting up fake abortion clinics makes me feel. I feel so sorry for that poor girl. What I want to know, is how in the hell did they get into the school to point her out and tell all of the other students that she was knocked up and going to have an abortion. I have gone back and visited my old high school and that took an act of congress. That is a violation of privacy, respect, and one of the most unhonerable things i have ever heard of.

I am going to look into if there are any of these fake clinics around here. I will let you know what I find.

DarkVader wrote:Remember, the enemy is not "pro life", they're anti-choice.


i agree. pro-life and anti-choice are 2 different things.

planned parenthood wrote:Worse yet -- the Bush administration has used $60 million in
taxpayer dollars to fund these propaganda machines. This has got
to stop!

and just think! we are paying for this!

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:08 am
by gothic_spleen
I personally am pro-life but i agree with what has been said here

It should be open to choice, I am in NO possition to judge or intimidate others, therefore i dont. Its theyre life, not mine, so its theyre choice

thats my view

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:41 am
by karmakaze
http://www.tnrtl.org/life_saving_option ... #Knoxville

Some listings on there do have the name crisis center, but please note, that that’s just a list on the internet, some of those, or even all of those could be legitimate and ethical establishments.

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:53 pm
by Dark Elf
....This is absolutly discusting, disturbing, cruel, inhumane and evil. I cant believe that the people that support this kind of activity are allowed to get away with it! what the fuck.......im posting this on all the other message boards I belong to......along with some other stuff ive been directed to.....that I will post here as well......

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:18 pm
by footprintzinthesand
I see prices on clothes hangers rising in the near future... Not really... but seriously, that's just fucked up that they're able to use trickery in that scenario... rights are becoming more n more nonexistent each day...

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:05 pm
by Bone
I don't care what your views on the abortion issue, Thats just WAY fucked up... to the point that anything else I was likely to post might have bad legal ramifications... :evil: