velocity wrote:If the mess you are referring to is the mailing I sent out that would be either me or Jonathan, while I am sure he shared some of the details with you I suspect not all of them. Many of the details did not come to light till quite a bit after the mailing. Even if he confided everything in you at the time you still only have one sided of the story.
Regarding this incident, let me say this. No, you did not technically "Hack" the board for the e-mail address. You did IMHO worse; you betrayed a trust and a friend. Johnathan entrusted you with special access to his server I would guess to allow you to help him on some things. You used those permissions to take the e-mail list from the old forum software. You copied that list and used it to e-mail everyone on the list about an event change for an "invite only" forum.
You better than anyone should know and understand the breach in privacy you did for that event. The users of KG expect privacy for the information they give to the forum. Johnathan is responsible for keeping that information private. You ignored every rule of administrative etiquette, and turned a blind eye to everything that administrative privilege means, all for your own personal reasons, whatever they may be.
You call yourself a friend of Johnathan's, but yet, you would betray him as you did, knowing what that means to him. You didn't have to see the hurt in his eyes when he told me what happened, and how someone he completely trusted violated him. Johnathan was kind enough to try and protect you out of friendship, when members of KG who were not members of the other "invite only" forum were calling for blood for the unwanted e-mails. He tried to make things look like a hack to keep you from being nailed to the wall, even though it put even more egg in his face.
What you did regardless of reason was ethically wrong, and that one incident went a long way to putting a serious rip in the scene, creating more ruffled feathers between boards. It also pushed Johnathan's tolerance for any further issues to the edge. While this wasn't what broke the camels back to the now infamous flyer incident, I do know it went a long way to pushing Johnathan there.
There is nothing you can say to me that will ever justify what you did. I can only hope that you can begin to understand what I saw that incident do to Johnathan, and probably what it did to both of your friendship. That, however, is for you to live with and you and Johnathan to work out. I am not post this as a personal attack on you Hillory. Rather I think it important that people clearly understand one of the BIG incidents that pushed Johnathan to snapping. We all make mistakes. I am sick of hearing Johnathan's name drug through the mud for a single mistake he made out of anger, without people knowing some of the why or even caring to ask. Johnathan is a wonderful person, whom I am proud to have as a close friend. Perhaps some of you forget how many times Johnathan was there to lend support in times of trouble and need from members of the community he barely knew. Again I don't think what happened with the flyer was right. I hate that it happened, and it's one of those burdens we now carry, and have carried since it happened. I can only hope the scene can at some point move past it.
I could go on for a long essay as to what and why things happened. But I doubt it would go anywhere to help the healing and in fact open more old wounds that are IMHO best left to heal. Again, I prefer to leave personal issues between involved parties.
However, there are a few points I still feel do need addressed as to why some things have been done in the running of this forum.
People want to know why word censors on the other forums name and refusal to host images from that site. Contrary to belief, these were not done out of hatred for the other site. Rather, it was implemented due to people spamming the KG forum for events for the other forum (multiple postings of flyers and event announcements in multiple forum areas where they did not belong) followed by repostings of said threads after they were moved to proper forums or just plain removed. After repeated warnings to individuals, word and image censors were placed to help keep this from going on by limiting access to the forum. Had individuals used enough respect for this forum in their attempts to promote a night, none of that would have ever happened. After these repeated abuses most any forum would have responded equally. I realize part of it was due to excitement for an event but there is still something called Net Etiquette, and spamming a board for anything, in Net Etiquette is an abuse of a forum. Reposting threads after they have been moved/removed is beyond rude, it's inconsiderate and disrespectful to the forum and its Admins.
We have always wanted KG and Sanctus to be a fun place to come and hang, thus, the rules we enforce at our nights as well as on this forum. Perhaps we should have talked about it all, perhaps not. As it is I don't believe in airing personal/business issues in public forums unless being left no option.
Which brings me to my next issue:
Caustic wrote:Oh, I'm sure I'll remember.
I'm currently borrowing this account since mine, Caustic, was banned, to clear some of the air here.
I did try to contact Andrew privately. Upon not hearing a response, I posted what I did to get a response. It worked in regards to Jimmy's involvement in the shenanigans which occurred in Nashville. That's all manner of cleared and closed.
Andrew, however, has yet to respond. I even tried to e-mail him, though all I received was bounced e-mail.
I still want to know what was said about me, by whom, to whom, and not from some intermediary such as Jason.
Adam you sure waited a long time for that response.... from the PM in my mail box 12/18/04 12:01pm till you posted xanga post at 12/19/04 5:08am thats 17 hours, 7 minutes... over night.
Believe it or not but some of us don't LIVE on the internet. I might add that I was DJing an event that night and wasn't even home to get online till the next day. I had no email address for you to respond; therefore, I could not. Once again, I try to deal with these kind of issues in private, not on open forums. I did later that week receive an e-mail from you which was sent Thursday Dec 23rd. Unfortunately that email got tied up in que as we had just recently changed over to our new server and I didn't get your e-mail till Monday night at which time I replied to you. Since I did not get back a bounced e-mail, I can only believe you have already received it. To that end I don't know why you are continuing this issue, even after it has been obviously addressed many times over from the individuals who were directly involved with the situation.
But since inquiring minds want to know (in specific you asked here), I will just go ahead and post the email I sent you Monday night, as you don't seem to have received it:
Bone's e-mail to Caustic wrote:Caustic wrote:Since I didn't get a PM back, I ask again, what all smack talk have you been sharing with the Nashville DJs?
To answer your question Adam,
Many months back Andrew contacted me for a professional reference on you. I responded to his request with the following:
I admire Caustic's passion for music. However during the time he has worked for me, as he himself says, he doesn't care about requests or a dance floor. Take a look at his play lists, if they groove with your crowds tastes great. But, don't expect too much from him to tailor to the crowd. Not his style to do so.
DJing is not a hobby or party time or a popularity contest to me. It is a job and I approach it as such, with as much professionalism as I am capable of. If asked for a professional reference on someone I give an honest one as by my experience with them and their actions. That's the way I do business. If you have a problem in what I said then perhaps you need to re-evaluate yourself as a club DJ and your own actions, as most everything I said about you, you have said about yourself in the past.
I have never said "don't bring Caustic to Nashville" or anywhere else. That is for the promoters of any given night to choose for themselves, and what is best for their nights. I leave them to that.
Hope that answers your question.
Sorry you had bad experience in Nashville. Hope you have better luck in the future
If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me. I personally however, would prefer if you did it in a civilized, professional and adult manner of which I believe you are capable.
Drew
Hope this finally clears up some people's issues.
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