A new child is born(Poetic thoughts of my Insanity)

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:05 am

Codeine Coma wrote:(Space for the Grammer Nazis) (Space for the Fascist master typers)

I was not getting offended, Nazi, snippy, or any-fucking-thing. All I did was state the simple fact that long, single-paragraph posts are very difficult to read without putting spaces after things like periods, commas, and parentheses.

Why do some people assume so quickly that other people are being "rude" or "getting offended"? Seriously. Chill out. Give people the benefit of the doubt. The actual words that I posted were not provably rude or offended, so why not give me the benefit of the doubt?

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 12:59 pm

Jack wrote:
Codeine Coma wrote:(Space for the Grammer Nazis) (Space for the Fascist master typers)

I was not getting offended, Nazi, snippy, or any-fucking-thing. All I did was state the simple fact that long, single-paragraph posts are very difficult to read without putting spaces after things like periods, commas, and parentheses.

Why do some people assume so quickly that other people are being "rude" or "getting offended"? Seriously. Chill out. Give people the benefit of the doubt. The actual words that I posted were not provably rude or offended, so why not give me the benefit of the doubt?

When ever you post it has a certain tone that is comparable to fingernails on a chalkboard. Im not saying that is what you sound like in realtime. just your posts. i've never met you in realtime. Balance had the same problem and i've known him for years but notice he uses more imagery and less talk sounding phrases. this tends to soften the tone without pussifiing what your saying. try that and see if it works. also read over your posts before you send them, not for punctuation but for message control. never say anything on this board that can be taken as something else because they can't hear you and will draw their own conclusions.

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:27 pm

sometimes people get misunderstood online (happens to me alot too). jack is one of those guys. dont take him as being offensive cuz usually hes not.
coma, welcome.
now will some mod please move this hello post over to intros? (or goth storyteller for that matter... it was a neat thingy.....)

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:38 pm

Jack wrote:Why do some people assume so quickly that other people are being "rude" or "getting offended"? Seriously. Chill out. Give people the benefit of the doubt. The actual words that I posted were not provably rude or offended, so why not give me the benefit of the doubt?

Some people still don't know how to read internet / electronic messages without requiring vocal and facial nuances for input that they would normally receive in a more personal form of communication, and failing that, reading more into a textual message than the raw data you've submitted implies.

I suffer from the reverse of this sometimes - people think I'm joking, when I'm really trying to be an asshole. Such is life. :mrgreen:

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:01 pm

Mercurygriffin wrote:When ever you post it has a certain tone that is comparable to fingernails on a chalkboard.

That may be true, but I think it's a mistake to lay the blame entirely on my posting skills without considering that it could also be a result of people having poor reading skills, poor internet skills, or persecution complexes that cause them to interpret things as negative when they're not.

You say that my posts are annoying. Fair enough. But many people who post on the board post as if they're in third grade. Does this cause me to think they are in third grade? No. I give them the benefit of the doubt. All I ask is the same consideration in return.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:04 pm

iblis wrote:reading more into a textual message than the raw data you've submitted implies.

Yep, that's the core problem right there.

If someone reads something negative into something I post, I would ask that they reply with a direct question such as "Are you being negative?" and then allow me to clarify, rather than assuming that I am and then using that as a basis to be negative themselves.

Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:22 pm

OK then, are you being negative?

Also, my apologies for snapping at you. In case you haven't noticed, I'm very maternal and extremely protective of my family, especially when they are wounded. I would greatly enjoy a chance to get to know you better, so that I might better understand your personality and therefore your communication style. From reading posts in the past, I have noted that you too have the old protective streak when it comes to your loved ones, so prehaps we have some things in common. Do you come out to play with the gang very often? Prehaps we've met before and I wasn't aware of it.

By the way, thanks to Creapy Rob for his friendly words to Coma in chat the other evening. Simple niceties go really far when you've suffered like my guy has. He needs reasons to socialize amicably, rather than withdraw further, or become hostile towards strangers. I'm his buffer zone, but it's really great when, in this situation, I feel like I'm not required.

Special thanks also to Imp! You actually responded in exactly the manner he was fishing for... philosophical rather than critical.

Love to all KGs!

Mo

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:32 pm

Okay, here's a bit of philosophy for you, along those same lines:

How do you really know that you're not dead already, and not experiencing any kind of afterlife, but rather living on in someone else's memory?

jenna · Post by **jenna** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:38 pm

Well i for one liked this post. Actually made me get all contemplative, which hasn't happened in awhile on here. i'm with Imp... it doesn't matter if your alive or dead or just a brain in a jar on an alien space ship being prodded with electric stimuli making you only think you are a living human being. (My personal favorite theory on existance) All that doesn't really matter. What counts is how much you enjoy the trip and what you pick up along the way.

As far as the spacing issues go.... who cares? Who was the horribly bored anally retentive person that came up with the idea that sentences had to be followed by 2 spaces anyway? What's wrong with no spaces or for that matter having 30 spaces? Same thing with my issue with capital "i". Who decided that "i" gets capitalized when "you" doesn't? Sounds like someone with serious ego issues invented the rules for our language. (And no my penchant for lower case "i"'s has nothing to do with the traditions of certain online cultures. lol)

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 8:31 pm

Mother Mo wrote:OK then, are you being negative?

Toward Codeine Coma? No, not at all.

I was just communicating my honest opinion that not spacing makes writing hard to read.

I think everyone else is making a lot bigger deal about this than I am. Calling me a Nazi and/or a fascist and/or anal retentive and/or egotistical blah blah, yadda yadda, is a lot worse than what I actually did, which was simply saying that long posts are easier to read when one uses spaces after commas and periods.

I wasn't all like "Dued, you totaly sux for not spacing UR post!!!!111"

I didn't make any value judgement on people who don't space. I was just saying that it's harder to read. OK? OK.

I would expect anyone who thinks my posts are difficult to read should speak up in as polite a manner as I did. Clear and simple communication is preferable to knee-jerk overreactions.

jenna · Post by **jenna** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:02 pm

Jack wrote:
Mother Mo wrote:
I think everyone else is making a lot bigger deal about this than I am. Calling me a Nazi and/or a fascist and/or anal retentive and/or egotistical blah blah, yadda yadda, is a lot worse than what I actually did, which was simply saying that long posts are easier to read when one uses spaces after commas and periods.

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Here we go around and around in all sorts of funny circles. i'm assuming your referring to my post on the lines of alledgedly calling you anal retentive and/or egotistical, since i haven't noticed those words used in anyone else's post. What i was saying was that the person that came up with the rules for the English language must have been anal retentive or egotistical. i'm pretty sure that wasn't you unless you are much much older than i thought.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:45 pm

jenna wrote:i'm pretty sure that wasn't you unless you are much much older than i thought.

Well, I am somewhere around 2038 years old. :jesus:

jenna · Post by **jenna** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:59 pm

Jack wrote:
jenna wrote:i'm pretty sure that wasn't you unless you are much much older than i thought.

Well, I am somewhere around 2038 years old.

lol

Codeine Coma · Post by **Codeine Coma** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:52 am

You have all made valaid points. I am quite thrilled ,to be honest, that I have started wheels being turned in different directions. And ,yes, my typing skills are horrid. I can accept this. But,I made serveral comments in my post, That stated such things as..."This may lower your IQ somewhat" and "If I lost you don't feel bad". Thus,admitting that I am not a "Pro" at this.

Jack and all other's who had problems with several issues,I am sorry you didn't seem to like it. But,You choose to read it. No one made you. And I am sorry,I have put this post in an area that some did not like. But,I did it. Jack and others, I type/write my thoughts on paper from time to time. I had a question that seemed/seems unanswerable to me...."How do you know you are alive?". So I decided to make a post. Not to offend anyone or make them feel intimidated. But,to merely vent.

I am sorry for all the trouble I have caused. To cause trouble was not my goal. My goal was to say "Hello" and to ask a question.

P.S. No one is 2038yrs old. That kinda was silly.

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:50 am

Yes, Codeine Coma, I am a intermittent Grammar Nazi - but only to people who claim to be writers. Standard English would have made your post easier to read, granted, but don't worry about it. The main reason these rules exist is to make it easier to communicate.

Keep posting; I'm glad to see you here.

jenna wrote:As far as the spacing issues go.... who cares? Who was the horribly bored anally retentive person that came up with the idea that sentences had to be followed by 2 spaces anyway? What's wrong with no spaces or for that matter having 30 spaces?

It's for clarity. The human brain can process things faster and more efficiently if they are presented in definable packages. Also, the spaces imitate the pause at the end of a spoken sentence, which is longer than the pause one uses after a comma. Commas, semicolons, colons, and periods all indicate a specific type of pause in a sentence - which in turn structures the rhythm of the sentence. The rhythm of a sentence is an important part of discerning its meaning.

Communication cannot exist if people are unsure of what is being said - is "2" being used as a number or as a substitute for too or to? Does "ur" refer to the Ur-Father, is it a shorthand for "your", or is it a typo of some other word? Confusion of this sort is the antithesis of communication.

jenna wrote:Same thing with my issue with capital "i". Who decided that "i" gets capitalized when "you" doesn't? Sounds like someone with serious ego issues invented the rules for our language. (And no my penchant for lower case "i"'s has nothing to do with the traditions of certain online cultures. lol)

English is full of such anomalies, so "I" being capitalized is a non-issue for me. Since we've taught our brains to understand that "I" means "the person speaking" in the English language, it seems obstinate to insist on using "i" when attempting to communicate with others. There's really no logical point in making the other person work harder to understand you.

The idea that some people claim to use the lowercase "i" because of some sort of humility is laughable - the very use of the lowercase "i" out of philosophical or moral reasons results in deliberately drawing attention to oneself - the opposite of humbleness or non-ego.

None of this is in any way a slam on people who truly have difficulty expressing themselves in writing...
<wicked grin>
Unless they claim to be any sort of writer.

The last time I checked, neither e.e. cummings nor Prince was registered on this board...
:twisted:

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:56 am

Codeine Coma wrote:You have all made valaid points. I am quite thrilled ,to be honest, that I have started wheels being turned in different directions. And ,yes, my typing skills are horrid.

Post more, and you'll get better.

Also, you can use the preview function to see what your post looks like before submitting it. I sometimes have to go back and edit a lot because I have cantspellfershit problems.

Codeine Coma wrote:P.S. No one is 2038yrs old. That kinda was silly.

Jack is silly.

Post by **DarkVader** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 10:02 am

<sigh>

I was very tempted to lock this thread - but it's interesting enough that I'm not going to - yet.

If you're going to post in this thread, I want you to think before you click that submit button. If something you're saying could be considered an insult - don't click it.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:20 am

Codeine Coma wrote:Jack and all other's who had problems with several issues,I am sorry you didn't seem to like it.

You are inferring that I didn't "like" your post based solely on the fact that I said it was difficult to read. That is an illogical and unnecessary assumption. As I have said several times now, if anyone ever thinks I'm being intentionally negative or mean toward them, all they have to do is ask me point-blank if I am or not.

P.S. No one is 2038yrs old. That kinda was silly.

It's only because I'm Jesus, you know. :jesus:

JaNell wrote:Jack is silly.

...in my pants!

You know, I wish more people realized that I am, in my own way, just as silly as everyone else on this board.

DarkVader wrote:I was very tempted to lock this thread

You lock things too easily, seriously. Locking things only makes everyone in the thread think that the perceived hostility is still extant; not locking the thread allows for communication and resolution. By locking it, you force communication to end, and often this is done at a time when people still have things to say that could defuse the situation to everyone's mutual satisfaction.

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 2:42 pm

DarkVader wrote:If something you're saying could be considered an insult - don't click it.

Even if you meant to be insulting?!
:lol:

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 5:35 pm

Jack wrote:
P.S. No one is 2038yrs old. That kinda was silly.

It's only because I'm Jesus, you know.

Great. Then you can answer a question that's been nagging me for almost 13 years now: Do you believe in Santa Claus?