Self-Publishing Rant (Be Warned)

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Self-Publishing Rant (Be Warned)

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Any time you pay to have your work published, it is defined as self-publishing. Subsidy publishing is just another word for self-publishing. The work is being subsidized, which means, your money out of your pocket. (Unless, of course, you can get investors, in which case you take it into an entire different realm). :)

And as I said, there are exceptions. Russ Manning who published his own hiking guides because he kept being told by even regional publishers that they were "too local" is now successful because his guides filled a niche in the market. A good writer can look for that niche, and if they find it, they can get their investment back.

The difference is, Russ went to a "printer" instead of a firm like iUniverse, and indeed, if you are going to go ahead and self publish, you should just go to a printer instead. You actually will get a better deal in the long run, and certainly a better quality product.

Secondly, there is a major difference in publishing "reprints" of your work that has gone out of print. You have already proven that you can sell your work.

But a self-published author is not going to get a lot of respect. The idea that anyone can become an author is absurd. Anyone can learn to write, and even write well is true enough, but there are too many people being lured into the belief that "they too can be a famous writer" by many of these PoD services. And the biggest reason is that even the best authors are not that good at editing their own work.

I know that you are thinking of what Charles DeLint has done over the years. I am not saying that there are not exceptions. But Charles was doing that in addition to selling his stuff to markets. And there are a lot of "published" writers who are going that route to make extra income since the markets are shrinking, and the competition for those slots is growing stiffer.

Personally, as a professional, I blame a lot of it on the glut factor of the 80s when there were authors getting really chunky advances. It hurt publishers rather than helped them. First off, they created supply and demand, and tried to fill supply by purchasing any old book out there. Secondly, it gave too many wannabes the idea that they too could be rich and famous.

Reality check: Rich and famous writers are but a handful of four or five names in the industry. The rest of us barely make a living at this and keep our day jobs. In fact, you will find that many of the writers who seem well known only recently retired from their day jobs to write full time because it took them years to finally get into a position where they could afford to do so.

Places like iUniverse are ruining the market with inferior books written by people who would never have been able to make it in the market.

The truth is, if a writer has not had to swim up stream against the competition that is the current industry and earned the right to call themselves an author, they have no business dreaming of being a writer.

Or as Marion Zimmer Bradley was fond of saying, "No one told you not to be a plumber..."

And sorry, if this comes across as a rant. I have thirty years of freelancing experience behind me. I started selling professionally when I was 18, I started selling short fiction to professional markets in the 80s, and I only sold the first of my now nine books in 2000. I get a little testy when I see it being promoted that "you too can be a writer--for a price."

But then, as a pro, I have earned the right to complain. :) 8-) :D

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P.S.

I'm Not picking on iUniverse specifically. It's just the most visible one. I was a member of a writer's group that met at the local B&N when they started promoting iUniverse. I said then that, this was subsidy publishing and that people should think hard before going that route.

Since I had friends in high places in B&N, I talked to them about it. And it was not long after that B&N decided to dump their connection to the iUniverse line. Its reputation with professional writer organizations was being hurt by the connection. Furthermore, B&N realized they were getting stuck with a lot of inferior books that they could not return to the publisher.

I have also seen the same sort of inferior fiction from iPublish, PublishAmerica, XLibris and several other prominant PoD technology subsidy publishers.

Remember, I work in a public library when I am not wordsmithing. We are continually sent books by "local authors" hoping to convince us to purchase these. With rare exception, we turn them down every time.

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While I agree vehemently with you on "subsidy" publishing (or "co-publishing" or whatever rip-you-off euphemism their marketing department has come up with), I have to point out that self-publishing is a differant thing entirely - you wouldn't POD for that - and that there are a few (VERY few) POD publishers that actually act as a real publisher (editing, promoting, and most importantly turning down manuscripts) with money paid TO YOU if your manuscript is accepted.
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A lot of people do not differentiate between the "pay a fee and get published" publishers and the art of self-publishing. And the companies that promote getting published now instead of waiting the way real writers do are clouding the market vision of new writers with false claims.

Overall, what a writer does with their work depends on what a writer wants. If your goal is to print some copies, sell them to friends and family, etc., by all means, go ahead and self-publish. It can't hurt. Just don't expect to build a professional career on it.

If your goal is to be an author with recognition and market potential--and possibly financial independence (but seriously, don't count on it--not because you're not a good writer, but because the market just cannot support more than a few top names), then you should submit your work to publishers and get it published through professional channels.

SFWA will not accept anyone who is not paid at least 5 cents a word (new rate starting January 1 2004) or who has not published with a publisher who pays at least $2000 as an advance against royalties.

SFWA and PEN and WRITER'S GUILD are quite determined to remind writers that this is a business.

The problem is, too many people think it's a short cut to fame and fortune.

Dream on...

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And I might add, not a day goes by that I do not get asked how much it cost me to get published. That is one of those questions that infuriates me. My publishers are small press, and people automatically assume that means I paid to get published. :evil:

For the record, it cost me nothing. I submitted my work, it got accepted, I got paid...

Yes, I put together a chapbook once of previously published stories, and as soon as I did, a publisher that knew my work snapped it up, declared that they loved it, asked to be allowed to publish it, and then asked me for a book.

But that was an exception, not the rule. ;)

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Post by Sonicgoo »

Hello Keltora:

I appreciate your input on this topic as it gives a writer in the trenches view of the subject. I also understand your problems with and most are warranted.

I agree with you on most of your points, although there have been a few small successes at iUniverse etc. I still ultimately agree with you in that it depends on what you’re trying to do as a writer.

I eventually will self publish a book of poetry I've been working on over the years. I personally have no goals of becoming a writer in the sense of fame fortune or respect. I work on my poetry mainly for my own enjoyment. I just like to play with words. Whether I choose to go to a pod like iUniverse in the end will ultimately be about cost. I see no reason to go to a printer at this point, as I don't need a thousand copies of the book laying around. However it will be a year or more before I've finished my initial copy and had someone edit it. Yep I agree editors are essential. The reason I will self publish is that I just don't want to go through the trouble of hiring an agent or shopping the book around myself.

To clear up another point Barnes and Noble never left iUniverse they are a major investor in iUniverse with Steve Riggio on the board of iuniveres and Barnes and Noble.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ir/corpinfo/corpinfo.asp

furthermore if you get a book published with Barnes and Noble guess who does the work, yep iuniverse.

if you click the following link then scroll down to the bottom of the page you will see the iUniverse logo.

http://publishyourbook.iuniverse.com/publish/default.asp?userid=2WX1ACV21C

You are correct they did diminish there association so as not to offend people like yourself. However without the coperation of Barnes and Noble there would probably be no iUniverse.

The main problem I have with iUniverse or other PODs are mainly quality, however for the same cost (at iUniverse) you cannot get a better book at printer. Like you said it might pay off in the long run, but it might not.

I appreciate your input in clarifying these issues, as it will help me in my decisions in the future as to which way to go. I look forward to reading more on this subject.
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Post by keltora »

Ah, poetry. You're talking an entirely different animal there. Poets are forced to self publish because the market does not support them otherwise. There are thousands of small press poetry markets out there, but there is no pay, and this is sad since poetry is an art form that is sadly neglected in this day and age.

Good luck.

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Post by Sonicgoo »

Yep poetry is a different animal, thus illustrating our point about self publishing being dependant upon your circumstances and expectations.

I will look closer at cafe press at your recomendation, I just don't like their website, it looks so family oriented it just bugs me, but that's silly so I'll take a closer look.
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