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Codeine Coma · Post by **Codeine Coma** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:15 am

Just out of innocent curiousity I am wondering what people's views are about downloading music. The reason for this is because I used to be VERY against it. As a musician I can see where bands and other artists might get pissed since,as we know,it deminishes their profits. And I used to lay into people who even talked about downloading around me...atleast the ones that complained that it might be illegal one day.

But,then my views changed once I got a MONSTER computer with enough hard drive to save all the music I would ever play,want,or think anyone else would want. After I downloaded the music I had...I wanted more. It's kinda addictive feeding my music God MP3's. Then a friend of mine turned me on to a site for downloading. At first,I said "I'll just get a couple of songs". Then the next thing you know...if I hear of a band...I download it,if I remember a band...I download it.

So basically I have gone against all that I preached. I now am somewhat addicted to downloading music. And I like it to a degree(I get free tunes) but,part of me thinks it is the most disrespectfull thing to the musicians, that I can do.

So any opinions on this will greatly help. I have already made up my mind to stop downloading. But,I wanna hear what KnoxGoth's think.

Thanks

Hand of Fate · Post by **Hand of Fate** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:30 am

I am with you on this one. I have a love hate relationship with downloading music. The artists (and to a lesser degree, the labels) have earned the money that they get from selling their music. If they did not make any money, then we would not get less music. At the same time, I love music. Especially stuff that I will not hear on the radio. As I am too poor to pay for CD's, downloading is how I get my fix. I have drastically cut back on downloading though. I doubt I will stop anytime soon though.

The_Lady_Aphrodite · Post by **The_Lady_Aphrodite** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:05 pm

Ok I think it is a mixed decision to the whole morals thing regarding downloading music....It hurts the small people.. i.e. the bands who haven't yet broke out into the mainstream yet but also it gives them a spotlight and an opportunity to reach people who would of been unable to hear their creations.

But as for the large people.. divas and stars and shit.. you know the ones who keep their money in their mouths (platinum and crystal ) and those who spend thousands on a personal dinner and make neverneverlands just to fondle innocent chitlin ...yeah I can show them where they can lick my ass...click now downloading...

The only fear I have is the whole royalties litigation thing like with Kazaa... Gives me chill bumps to think of having to pay back fines for MUSIC.........But will I keep downloading you ask? Yes at least until my harddrive crashes but yet again we have burnable discs....

Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:17 pm

My opinion, since it's my name associated with this here computer of ours, is if you get my ass in trouble feeding your newest compulsion, I'll be taking it out of yours, dear.

Ethically, it does seem wrong to not pay for the service or the product. So, simply charge the customers a modest fee for downloading the music. Make it up front & honest. It should be cheaper than buying just the single or the entire CD, since you don't get the cover art, case, or other material usually associated with traditional purchase of music. Then that money can be divided up between the artists, the site, & all the other grubby little hands with a claim to the profits.

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:00 pm

The_Lady_Aphrodite wrote:Ok I think it is a mixed decision to the whole morals thing regarding downloading music....It hurts the small people.. i.e. the bands who haven't yet broke out into the mainstream yet but also it gives them a spotlight and an opportunity to reach people who would of been unable to hear their creations.

The "small people" can always put up a website and make their music available on mp3 (or whatever format they choose) to get their name and music out there in the spotlight.

Hell, they could even make a special, web-only album just for that purpose. Then perhaps have a link on the download area that takes you to their store so that you can buy their other music.

Wait. Bands - small and gargantuan alike - are already doing this. So why is it ethical to download their music from a Peer-to-Peer program (Kazaa and its cousins) again?

I won't say that I haven't, don't, or won't download music. But at the same time, I won't try to justify it.

Note: This post might come off as harsh, but that isn't my intention. I just think we should be honest with ourselves.

Another side note: I still think it'd be a good idea for artists to "flag" certain songs to be legal to share. It'd be good publicity, and it'd help fans who want to work with the system, and still not be fucked by it.

Codeine Coma · Post by **Codeine Coma** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:00 pm

Mother Mo

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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:17 pm Post subject:
My opinion, since it's my name associated with this here computer of ours, is if you get my ass in trouble feeding your newest compulsion, I'll be taking it out of yours, dear.

Oh yeah baby! Mmmmm,Talk dirty to me some more! :twisted:

blindboy · Post by **blindboy** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:16 pm

do i think its wrong? yeah pretty much. do i care? not really.
has anyone seen the southpark episode "christian rock hard"?
it addresses the whole mp3 thing. pretty damn funny. cartman tuns into that a-hole from creed. :p

This is the home of Lars Ulrich the drummer from Metallica. Look theres Lars now sitting by his pool. Whats the matter with him? This month he was hoping to have a gold plated shark tank bar installed right next to the pool. But thanks to people downloading his music for free he must now wait a few months before he can afford it.

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:30 pm

I personally download at least on Metallica song a day.....I hate metallica.....I just download another song to get at those money hording shithead.......VIVA LA NAPSTER!

i\on a side note......If artist swould start putting out some shit worth putting my money on...I wouldnt download it! Outkast will get my money....so will AFI and APC.......metallica and Micheal jackson can kiss my ass.........Oh look another song Lars wont get paid for :rofl:

SUCKER!~~~~

I have paid for a lot of music that wasnt worth my money........I will now try the album online beofre i waste another red cent onit.....

Im sure camera companies are losing money on making and the processing of film too what with all these new digital cameras and sucha nd at home labs.......where is their lawsuit.....becasue it \s the furtherance of technology.......deal with it.

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:14 pm

musicians are gonna be poor either way
fuck the RIAA
because you music probably sucks anyway
fuck the RIAA
download everything that you can get away with
fuck the RIAA
downloading mp3s turns people onto new music, alot of people buy more cds because of this
why do they blame the p2p because people arent buying as much of the same cd instead of buying alot of new cds
more cds get bought
they just dont gillion-platnum as much
so its the music industry trying to blame others because people are starting to get sick of being told what to listen to.
fuck the riaa.

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:31 am

The only music I really dl is remixes and hard to find tracks or if I just want to sample what a band has to offer. Other than that I would rather (money forbiding) to buy the album cause as a musician I see where the problem is. That is how they make their living. If you work at mcdonalds and everyone can get burgers free at home...then you run the risk of losing your job due to no income to the company.

Synthpopalooza · Post by **Synthpopalooza** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:46 am

My opinion on this:

It's okay to download and sample music, but do not use it s a substitute for buying the band's CD, specifically if it's an indie band on an indie label (of which I am one, myself!) ... unlike the biggie label bands, we small fry are lucky to sell maybe even 200 copies of a CD when we release, so each and every CD sale matters more so to us, than to the likes of Britney or Christina or Justin T.

Not only that, but the average price of your independent label CD is usually no more than $14, if that (I have seen many sell for cheaper!)

Support the independent musician, they are the only thing saving us from the dreck of top 40 hell.

Logic · Post by **Logic** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:22 am

How about you do whatever the fuck you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone but yourself.

Spam · Post by **Spam** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:26 am

Logic wrote:How about you do whatever the fuck you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone but yourself.

Please define "hurt" dling music can be very hurtful to the artists, especially indie artists. No for the most part it does not cause them physical pain but the finanical pains that it can cause can be huge even to the point where some artists will just give up on music and go do something else. Saying it is all about the art is all well and good but it doesn't pay the bills and if an artist can't pay the bills then I don't blame them for quiting. But hey what do I know I listen to underground hip hop.

Logic · Post by **Logic** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:44 am

There's a difference between hurting and not helping. It would be impossible for me to hurt any band by downloading their music.

And if those bands stop playing because they aren't earning money then fuck 'em. They probably suck anyway.

Onibubba · Post by **Onibubba** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:13 pm

My stand on downloading music is that I do it...A lot. I also buy music...A lot. Hell, if cds were just cheaper, I'd buy even more. Remember that price-gouging lawsuit a couple of years back? For 5 years of price gouging, my "share" of the settlement amounted to less than a dollar. And now, music that I download is costing the recording industry millions? Fuck em. A lot of what I download, I already own. It's easier to download than to copy from cd after cd after cd. I also download songs of the moment - things I will probably never want to hear a year from now and certainly not want to buy the album. Finally, I download music to see if it is crap or not. In Germany, cd stores all had listening stations so you could try before you buy...And at nearly 20.00 a cd, I'm going to take a listen first. If I like what I hear, and it is by an artist I respect, I'll buy the cd.

QueenOfTheFlock · Post by **QueenOfTheFlock** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:01 pm

I don't know what happened because I *know* I made a response last night to this thread but apparently not so...here goes.

Yes, I download. No, I don't feel guilty. See, if it's one of the bands I love and most of them are smaller known, I'm more than likely going to buy their cd to give them support here in the states, or at least in my area, anyway. If it's a big name artist and I only like one of their songs or very few of their songs (like Metallica) then there's no way I am going to give them money to help support their asses. They'll just have to work harder. I give the support where I feel it's needed the most and I don't feel sorry for "stealing" a song or two from bands like Metallifuk.

creapyrob · Post by **creapyrob** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:43 pm

yes and no I don't feel guilty.

I like really obscure music that in my hometown is very hard to find. We have a ShamGoody here. And if I ask if they have any Del Reeves or The Band albums they look at me like I've grown another head, but then again the teenieboppers that work there wouldn't know good music if it jumped up and bit them on the ass.

But then again I download music and apperently Bob Dylan, CCR, Jasin Joplin, and Dave Matthews played every song on the face of the earth at least according to the song database.

Synthpopalooza · Post by **Synthpopalooza** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 7:32 pm

A lot of good points being made here. Out of curiosity, I am wondering where the majority of people on here actually do buy their music?

Myself, I haven't bought anything at the FYE shop here in the mall for quite some time now. It's just that I hate paying $21+ for a CD. I usually stick to independent shops like The Disc Exchange or CD Swap, they are usually very reasonable on their prices, or you can find it used, for REAL cheap. Plus it's more likely I will find indie-label music a these outlets.

I find that I am also buying a lot of my independent non-major label music at outlets like A Different Drum, or in many cases directly from the label or artist themselves. In many cases, I am usually paying at most $14.00 for the CD + shipping (except for imports) ...

I also thought I would clarify the download issue a bit. I am by no means on the side of the RIAA and people like that. A lot of what their proposing is really scary and I totally do not agree with (besides they're really a bunch of music Nazis).

I personally have no problems with downloading music, or even making mixtapes and mix CD's to swap with your friends. There are really only two things I have to say:

1. People who make bootleg CD's and try to sell those to make a profit ... now THAT is stealing. I really wish the RIAA would leave the filesharing downloaders alone and go after these people, in my view it's THESE people who need to be curtailed, not the teenager who just likes to get mp3's and discover new bands.

2. If you happen to discover a new independent artist that you really like, having sampled the mp3 ... consider at least putting some money aside to buy the CD. Most indie labels only charge, again, $14.00 for their new releases, plus they always throw in cool bonus things like free promo CD's and stuff. I've got at least three CD's on my wishlist now at A Different Drum, I don't know when I'll get around to getting them but I plan to.

Download your mp3's, share your files ... but when you find something you really like, buy the CD.

Caustic · Post by **Caustic** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:40 am

Thieves.

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:55 am

Caustic wrote:Thieves.

I prefer the term, "assiduous appropriater of auricular data", or "Triple A-Dee" for short.

:angel:

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