The Passion of the Christ movie

Onibubba · Post by **Onibubba** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:36 pm

Everyone I work with plans on bringing their kids. This is the way it has been "suggested" they see the film. Far be it from me to suggest otherwise 8-)

Love · Post by **Love** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:41 pm

Religion=$ PERIOD

It's career and control based on lies. If you don't wanna believe that then you can be corrected after death.

doctorthoss · Post by **doctorthoss** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:57 pm

Onibubba wrote:I hope that this is a good movie. Unfortunately, many religious films are little more than message movies, backed by religious organizations, for the religious community. Examples are the Time Changer and the Left Behind films. This is not always the case. A good religious film should be a good movie first, and a thought provoking vehicle second. This allows a wider audience and a broader scope of discussion of the themes. I hope this will prove to be one of those movies. Other religious (xian) movies that are worth viewing (please add to this list any other recommendations)

1. Agnes of God - Nice twist Very overlooked film.
2. Last Temptation of Christ - As mentioned before, an amazing, thought provoking film that is NOT about Jesus fucking as many who protested yet never swa the film assume.
3. Ten Commandments - A FUCKING HOOT!!! I watch this at least once a year. How the Jewish community can be up in arms about Mel's movie and yet be OK with the bitching, howling, mob of assholes that whine at Moses at every turn and embrace Dathan at every impasse is beyond me! And it's gothic too! Well, it DOES have Vincent Price in it.
4. Life of Brian - More social commentary than a parody of christ, who is never actually insulted or parodied in this film.
5. Jaccob's Ladder - More a film about letting go than christianity per se, but enlightening and thought provoking.
6. Dogma - OK, it is a Kevin Smith film, so dick and fart jokes abound, but the movie raises so many good questions and issues, it really should be seen and discussed.
7. OK I don't remember the name of this one, but making this list has made me think about it. It concerns a woman whose life has bee filled with drugs and promiscuity. She joins a doomsday cult that preaches the coming apocalypse. She meets a man who tries to bring her to her senses and does just as...Seemed like a good movie at the time, late 80's I think. Anyone else seen this? Ack, I'm rambling. See you at the movies.

I THINK number 7 on your list may have been "The Rapture," which was fairly contrversial at the time but hard to track down now (WELL worth the trouble, however). Tell me if this is how you remember it: The lead character joins a conservative group after years of "sinning," there is a powerful scene where she murders her own child to ensure his "salvation" (shades of the Abraham and his son story here), and then the actual rapture happens while she's in jail (trumets sounding, the Four Horsemen of the Apolcalypse, etc). In the end, she rejects God out of anger over her son -- it ends with her standing resolutely outside Heaven and basically telling God to blow off. It's a pretty powerful flick, released sometime between '89 and '91 (if my memory is correct).

Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:00 pm

7. OK I don't remember the name of this one, but making this list has made me think about it. It concerns a woman whose life has bee filled with drugs and promiscuity. She joins a doomsday cult that preaches the coming apocalypse. She meets a man who tries to bring her to her senses and does just as...Seemed like a good movie at the time, late 80's I think. Anyone else seen this?

The Rapture! One of my all time favorites! I dig your taste in film by the way. I've seen all those you mentioned & own most of them. I agree that The Name of the Rose is another good one.

I love this conversation. It may not be exactly what it was originally intended to be, but it has grown & evolved & has motivated peeps to think about different things for a little while. That's good for all involved, in my opinion.

Lupa, I love you. I didn't realize we went to the same church!

There's been some really cool shows on Discovery lately called Ancient Evidence that deals with the historical evidence regarding the prophets, Jesus, & various other biblical characters. There's a really good one about the tension between Peter & Mary Magdaline before during & after the death of Christ. They claim that there's evidence of a nasty power struggle between them, where Mary was bullied out of the position of power Jesus wanted her have so that Peter could take control of the group & alot of political conflicts they were having. It's worth watching.

Now, back to the fireworks. (Aren't they pretty?)

RavenLunatic · Post by **RavenLunatic** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:04 pm

I agree with Love. That is all.......

Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:06 pm

I THINK number 7 on your list may have been "The Rapture," which was fairly contrversial at the time but hard to track down now (WELL worth the trouble, however). Tell me if this is how you remember it: The lead character joins a conservative group after years of "sinning," there is a powerful scene where she murders her own child to ensure his "salvation" (shades of the Abraham and his son story here), and then the actual rapture happens while she's in jail (trumets sounding, the Four Horsemen of the Apolcalypse, etc). In the end, she rejects God out of anger over her son -- it ends with her standing resolutely outside Heaven and basically telling God to blow off. It's a pretty powerful flick, released sometime between '89 and '91 (if my memory is correct).

It was a daughter she killed, not a son. They had dreams of "the pearl" & their preacher man was a young boy. Her husband was killed by a disgruntled worker & she shot her daughter & was going to shoot herself so they could be with Daddy in Heaven. But Mom can't kill herself, so she winds up wandering in the desert during the apocolypse after murdering her child.

I have it on VHS still. :twisted:

Onibubba · Post by **Onibubba** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:04 pm

The Rapture! Yes yes, that was it! Thanks a bunch guys! Sadly, it is one of the many good films still not available on DVD while every movie Carrot Top and Pauly Shore have ever filmed are all available for your viewing pleasure at 19.99 a pop

I've also enjoyed how this thread has turned out. It is nice to hear other ideas and opinions without resorting to name calling. As I've stated before, any problems I have with religion are with the orgainzations, and not the individuals or the ideas...Well, maybe some ideas and some individuals (none here) , but they will be dealt with on an individual basis!

Coor · Post by **Coor** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:45 pm

OK, sorry my connection has been down for the last 2 days.

Its not that middle eastern actors aren't good, but they prolly did have the effect he was looking for. I've studied Gibson's way of directing, since his debut. He's EXTREAMLY picky of somethings, but then he lets others go. Example: The battle in Braveheart that was actually on a bridge, and he placed it in a field. Sometimes Gibson can get lazy, about histrocial accuracy, but then again he's closer than most directors. OK, there we go, sorry if there were more questions directed towards my comments. I'm kinda in a hurry.

Beelzabetty · Post by **Beelzabetty** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:52 pm

OK... crucifiction was supposed to be the most humliating way to die. Jesus was called "King of the Jews". The Roman empire could not and would not tolerate ANYONE calling themselves "King". It was an insult to Caesar. He was "god".
As to the carrying of the whole cross.. what better way to humilate someone calling themself "king of kings and Lord of lords", than to make him carry the whole weight of a big wooden cross? Parade him beaten and broken , wearing a crown of thorns, through the streets so his followers could see their "king" and how royal he really was. It was to prove that Jesus was infact just a man. Nothing more.
Jesus may have been nailed to the cross, but he was also tied to it . The nailing was to ensure that he would not do as he said he would and "rise again". Legs were broken to ensure that those being crucified couldn't crawl away when they were let down, and still managed to be alive. Not everyone was hung until death. If they happen to die(suffocate) during their prescribed stay, that was just a hazzard of the punishment. The spear through the side was to ensure that Jesus was indeed dead.
As I said before, crucifiction was not only a torturous way to die, but an act of humiliation as well.
Knowing this, and being Christian, I feel VERY unworthy .

Just my two cents worth....

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:01 pm

Coor wrote:. I've studied Gibson's way of directing, since his debut. He's EXTREAMLY picky of somethings, but then he lets others go. Example: The battle in Braveheart that was actually on a bridge, and he placed it in a field. Sometimes Gibson can get lazy, about histrocial accuracy, .

There are many more historical innaccuracies in Braveheart than that, but history doesn't always make for sensational movie making..so, no big deal in my eyes.

*sigh*

this thread is bound to cause some problems

Coor · Post by **Coor** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:26 pm

Oh, yes, I just used that as an example. The whole lPrincess bullshit thing never happened. Oh I agree with your last comment as well.

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:30 pm

You know I think i have made it clear that I am a Christian...ORthodox to boot. Which gives me the inalienable right to make fun of the protestants.....j/k however.....someones gonna burn for that WWJD craze...... :roll:

Oh My God.

so this asks the question........WWJD?

He wouldn't turn it into a marketing fad.....and dupe preteens into plastering that shit all over themselves so they can be marked for life.

silly branch Davidians

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:39 pm

Mistress Eve(L) wrote:so this asks the question........WWJD?

What Would JaNell Do?

Well, it depends on who you are, and what kind of mood I'm in...

What you really need to worry about, as Bone pointed out, is

What Would JaZilla Do? :jazilla:

"What Would JaNell Do?" bumber stickers coming again soon.

Coor · Post by **Coor** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:41 pm

Eve, as a Christian as well I reserve the right to make fun of my religion. Hey if Blacks and Jews get to make jokes, so do I damnit!

Just when you thought Mel Gibson couldn't make a bigger
turd than "Lethal Weapon IV", he drops this one. And
all of the Jews are pissed off because he's telling everybody
that they killed God. Now let's think about it. That's not
so bad is it? I would think the Jews would want this movie
highly circulated in the Muslim world, with the obvious
threat being, "If you guys don't back off, we'll kill your God,
too. Then you get no 70 virgins, no paradise, no nothing."
Anyone who can kill God is one bad mother fucker.

But let's not forget that Jesus rose from the dead AND
ascended to a throne in heaven. Not too shabby. So in
essence, nobody really "killed" Jesus; it was more like a
fraternity hazing, or an early version of "Fear Factor" where
you endure all kinds of shit to win a valuable prize. Way to
go Jesus, and way to go Jews for helping him keep it real.

That was from T-Shirt Hell.com's newsletter. Funny site, but only for those you find Iblis links kinda weak. It's one of those sites made to piss people off.

white_darkness · Post by **white_darkness** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:53 pm

T-shirt hell.com is a wonderful place.

Though some Iblis links have disturbed me far more than t-shirt hell.

Beatrix Kiddo · Post by **Beatrix Kiddo** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:57 pm

"It was my rabbit to help the prison Charlie with the Sunday service. He was a bolshy great bastard, but he was very fond of myself. Me being very young and now interested in the Big Book. I read all about the scourging and the crowning with thorns and I could viddy myself helping in and even taking charge of the tolchoking and the nailing in. Being dressed in the height of roman fashion. I didn't so much like the latter part of the book which is like all preachy talking than fighting and the old in-out. I like the parts where these old yahooties tolchok each other and then drink their Hebrew vino and getting on to the bed with their wife's handmaidens. That kept me going."

jenna · Post by **jenna** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:00 pm

ophelia wrote:Regardless of what you believe, or what limited information your viewpoint stems from, it is a very Catholic version of the passion (suffering) of Christ, based largely on the paintings and depictions of post-Heliand Christianity.

This is an honest question since i won't be able to go and see it and find out for myself until either the theatres are less crowded or i'm less pregnant...

Which version of Catholicism is it based from? The modern day one or the freaky sect that Gibson alledgedly follows?

Most modern Catholics follow what was laid down in 1965 during the second Vatican Council which issued Nostra Aetate. Among other things, Nostra Aetate stated that the Jews were not to be considered guilty of killing Jesus and a clear stance against anti-Semitism was made in the church.

However, the freaky sect that Gibson is supposedly from rejects the Second Vatican Council, and follows the old beliefs of the church that did hold the Jews culpable for the death of Jesus and at the least tolerates anti-Semitism.

So, if the movie is very Catholic by the main-stream standards of the church today Jews would not be blamed in the death of Jesus. However, if it is based on a set of Catholic beliefs that are pre-Vatican II, Jews would be blamed.

Sorry if i'm getting nit-picky with all of this. However, Passion Plays have a major history of being used to ignite feelings of anti-Semitism. When Hitler went to see the Oberammergau Passion Play (one of the oldest ones that many modern day versions are based on) in 1934, he called it a "precious tool" in his fight against the Jews. So, i think its a major issue to consider and examine, regardless of wether the movie is as anti-semitic as older tellings of the story traditionally are, or if it is breaking new ground and does not do this. Either way, it is something significant.

Coor · Post by **Coor** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:02 pm

Well I was trying to place note about how shitty it can be. Some people can handle gore, but not shit like jokes about Sept.11 and stuff. I got the new newsletter today. I love that asshole!

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:04 pm

No it does not indicate that the jews killed Christ, it makes more of a point that it is our own sin that killed him

torch_32 · Post by **torch_32** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:31 pm

Something I received in an email today:

Roman Catholic Biblical Scholar Calls Gibson's "Passion" Anti-Jewish, Theologically Flawed and Historically Dubious

New York, NY - (February 25, 2004) Father Gerald Caron, Professor of Biblical Studies at the Atlantic School of Theology in Halifax, calls Mel Gibson's "The Passion" a work of fiction that purports to be a respectful, reliable, and faithful rendering of the Passion narratives of the four Gospels. Dr. Caron tells why the film should not be taken as such, and moreso, why Gibson makes Satan omnipresents throughout the movie, on the Tovia Singer Show, Wednesday, February 25 from 10 PM to Midnight New York time (Wednesday, 5 - 7 AM Israeli time) on Israel National Radio and around the world on the Internet at http://www.toviasingershow.com