Punk rock?

JealousofRegis · Post by **JealousofRegis** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:00 pm

eh, fuck em
the guitarist from my first band was really into the sex pistols when I first met him
I'll admit, they've got a couple of ok songs
but I fuckin HATE that I am an anti-christ song and god save the queen

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:31 am

HATE that I am an anti-christ song

oh please
you know the name of the song

and fuck you anyway
no talent hacks ???
it's three guitar chords over and over again
are you the punk rock virtuoso that's gonna lead us all to salvation

get the fuck outta here

what the fuck does talent have to do with anything
this punk we're talking about
and yes fuck sid

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:27 pm

rec|use wrote:
HATE that I am an anti-christ song

oh please
you know the name of the song

and fuck you anyway
no talent hacks ???
it's three guitar chords over and over again
are you the punk rock virtuoso that's gonna lead us all to salvation

get the fuck outta here

what the fuck does talent have to do with anything
this punk we're talking about
and yes fuck sid

Don't fuck up someone elses wet dream! If Regis thinks he can do it leave him to it. Shit dude! Do you have to be so insensitive?

JealousofRegis · Post by **JealousofRegis** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:33 pm

hey, maybe I will

and I do know the name of the song, but for some reason I could not think of it when I was writing the post

4X541N7 · Post by **4X541N7** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:19 pm

vicious_blood wrote:
AXSaint wrote:
vicious_blood wrote:I'm 22...but where does age matter? Just cause we might have been born 10 or 20 or whatever years after punk supposedly broke out, doesn't mean we don't listen to the older forms of it and came to appreciate thru that. To quote one of my favorite people "I'm gonna keep on surviving cause thru music we can live forever." I don't fucking care who started punk, where it came from or where it's gone. All I know is that it's in me and will stay alive in me no matter if everyone else things it's dead.
And isn't one of the whole "punk" things is to not give a shit about any of that in the 1st place? SO WHO REALLY CARES? DOES IT REALLY MATTER? NO.

Oh, and Joe. You just gained a respect point with me.

I think that somethings do matter...This I honestly think, That this doesn't...BUT...While I do like some old punk (Misfits, GG Allen, Iggy Pop)...Punk NOW, is dead...New-school-'my-girlfriend-died-Emo rules the waves...Face it GG's dead...Joey's dead...Punk is dead...

Punk is alive as long as what they left behind is still alive in us. People with closed minds is what's going to kill it for alot people.

And GG really wasn't that great. Alot of people liked him cause he did crazy stuff on stage and the whole image he represented. Fuck the image, it should be about music.

OK...I have to repost, because, unlike punk...I refuse to let my opinion die...

First, GG Allen is so influetial, because, of the fact that he gave no fucks...THAT was his message..."I DON'T GIVE A FUCK"....Agree or disagree, I also, give no fucks....The reason I said he was so influential, is because alot of 'Punk' musicians, even if they didn't have the edge that GG had, he still influenced them, one way or another...

Second, Kit, You're the reason punk is dead...Need proof? [urlhttp://www.knoxgothic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3005]CLICK HERE...& READ THIS THREAD[/url]!!!!!!! Now, go listen to your safe, user-friendly Blink-182, & let the grown-ups talk...K?

OK...I think I've said all I needed to say...Regis...Man....Fuck anyone who argues with you...Do whatever you want...& if it's real punk, I'll come & see ya...K?

punkrockjoe · Post by **punkrockjoe** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:38 pm

Well I found the angry people I was looking for....anyways...Im glad you got such a good grip on what punk is...who knew in all the debates that go on about this subject all we had to do was ask you guys...still....you got the attitude...so who knows you may be right....

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:43 pm

AXSaint wrote:
vicious_blood wrote:
AXSaint wrote:
vicious_blood wrote:I'm 22...but where does age matter? Just cause we might have been born 10 or 20 or whatever years after punk supposedly broke out, doesn't mean we don't listen to the older forms of it and came to appreciate thru that. To quote one of my favorite people "I'm gonna keep on surviving cause thru music we can live forever." I don't fucking care who started punk, where it came from or where it's gone. All I know is that it's in me and will stay alive in me no matter if everyone else things it's dead.
And isn't one of the whole "punk" things is to not give a shit about any of that in the 1st place? SO WHO REALLY CARES? DOES IT REALLY MATTER? NO.

Oh, and Joe. You just gained a respect point with me.

I think that somethings do matter...This I honestly think, That this doesn't...BUT...While I do like some old punk (Misfits, GG Allen, Iggy Pop)...Punk NOW, is dead...New-school-'my-girlfriend-died-Emo rules the waves...Face it GG's dead...Joey's dead...Punk is dead...

Punk is alive as long as what they left behind is still alive in us. People with closed minds is what's going to kill it for alot people.

And GG really wasn't that great. Alot of people liked him cause he did crazy stuff on stage and the whole image he represented. Fuck the image, it should be about music.

OK...I have to repost, because, unlike punk...I refuse to let my opinion die...

First, GG Allen is so influetial, because, of the fact that he gave no fucks...THAT was his message..."I DON'T GIVE A FUCK"....Agree or disagree, I also, give no fucks....The reason I said he was so influential, is because alot of 'Punk' musicians, even if they didn't have the edge that GG had, he still influenced them, one way or another...

Second, Kit, You're the reason punk is dead...Need proof? [urlhttp://www.knoxgothic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3005]CLICK HERE...& READ THIS THREAD[/url]!!!!!!! Now, go listen to your safe, user-friendly Blink-182, & let the grown-ups talk...K?

OK...I think I've said all I needed to say...Regis...Man....Fuck anyone who argues with you...Do whatever you want...& if it's real punk, I'll come & see ya...K?

Apparently, unlike you Trevor, I know how to make fun of myself. So who cares? You know maybe 2% of me, so you have no right to judge. But you know what? I refuse to belittle you because I have more respect for peoples opinions. I don't care if you think I'm not punk, I personally don't think you're interesting, so I guess we are even.

I don't care what anyone thinks of me and it makes me laugh that you apparently think I do.

I don't believe I'm the reason you think punk is dead, but thanks for the credit, I appreciate it.
Like I said...you have the right to your own opinion, just like I do. But that doesn't make your opinion right. Thanks for trying tho.

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:05 pm

umm here we go.
fuck you everyone.
umm fuck this argument.
fuck both sides
whoever started punk? fuck them
those pussies claiming they are punk because they got dumped and noone will fuck them? fuck them too. theres a couple of those posting in this thread. fuck you.
think punk is dead? fuck you
think punks alive? fuck you
an old fart whos pissed because the world left you? fuck you
a young brat who doesnt understand what really started punk? fuck you
goth? fuck you
punk? fuckyou
have we fucked you yet? if not fuck you
it doesnt change the price of beer, ill be the bruised guy in the corner that all the cool lil punk kids avoid because ill break em and their lil hot topic asses. look for the guy singing GG songs to the toliet, thats me.
now correct me if im wrong, but

jello wrote:punk aint no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself

now you so called punk rockers in knox, read this next sentence about 320 times
if your adhereing to some idea of what punk is and its not something you made yourself, find a new buzzword for youself.
theres some punk mother fuckers in knox, but it aint the people im seeing call shit out. point in case, fucking Merc by definition of who he is, is fucking punk in my book.
this is why i like punkrockjoe so much, that guys the geniue article.
myself, fuck the dress code, but as far as lifestyle goes, been punk my whole life never will stop. i do what i want when i want how i want. period. and i dont fucking care what anyone has to say about it. i say fuck you i dont care because... fuck you i dont care.
in my humble opinion, real punks wouldnt sit here and argue back and forth over a forum on what punk is. joe is defending his claims because its sacred to him.
its not to me, its just a part of me and fuck me i aint special.

all this being said, JealousofRegis, id like to meet you.

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:37 pm

AXSaint wrote:First, GG Allen is so influetial, because, of the fact that he gave no fucks...THAT was his message..."I DON'T GIVE A FUCK"....Agree or disagree, I also, give no fucks....The reason I said he was so influential, is because alot of 'Punk' musicians, even if they didn't have the edge that GG had, he still influenced them, one way or another...

Anyone can not give a fuck, besides, it was my understanding (or maybe my wishful thinking) that punk was all about GIVING a fuck about the shit going on around you and doing something about it. If you don't give a fuck, then what the fuck are you a punk for?

Almost every great punk band had some sort of message that they wanted to get out, and it certainly wasn't "I don't give a fuck." Here's a little list for you to think about:

The Clash, Crass, Subhumans, UK Subs, Minor Threat, The Ramones, D.I., Fear, The Angry Samoans, GBH, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Iggy and the Stooges, The Birthday Party, The Damned, Dead Kennedys, Descendants, Bad Religion, Screeching Weasel, New York Dolls, Dead Boys, The Exploited, Johnny Thunders, The Misfits, X-Ray Specs, Richard Hell (and the Voidoids), The Buzzcocks, The Circle Jerks, Husker Du, Stiff Little Fingers, Blondie, MDC, SNFU, 7 Seconds, Patty Smith.

All of these bands/people I would say had far more influence on punk than GG Allin.

Admittedly, my knowlege of GG Allin's music isn't the best, but of the things I have heard by him and the murder junkies (and I'm not talking one or two songs off of one album, I have heard a bunch of their stuff off of many albums), all of it was just bad. The 'greats' of the punk rock world differ in that, sure, some of them may not have been able to play their chosen instruments very well and none of them came close to being another Jimi Hendrix, Dave Lombardo, or Frank Sinatra, but they were a damn sight easier to listen to because the music didn't suck.

It's a lot easier to get your message across when a) people can understand what you are saying, and b) people can listen to your music without wanting to break their radio. Granted, I know people that like his stuff and that's cool, but I know a LOT more that don't.

GG Allin, while he was a hardcore.....I dunno, addict, self-flagellator, scat-enthusiast, crazy bastard....to call him a huge influence in the punk scene is a bit of a stretch, in my opinion.

greyeyes · Post by **greyeyes** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:56 pm

I would have to agree with Neph there, and would like to add one thing. There is a reason people still listen to the bands he mentioned. That's saying quite a bit considering we are talking 30+ years ago for some of them. They were good at what they did.

I am disappointed in a lot of what passes for punk today. Don't get me wrong, I've heard some good newer bands, but nothing compares to the shows I saw 15 years ago.

I'm also a little disturbed by the idea that punks don't give a fuck about anything. In my experience (and I was one hell bent for leather punk kids in high school) all of my punk pals were incredibly active politically. It's what drew me to the music in the first place. I think if you walked up to Jello Biafra and asked why he didn't give a fuck about anything, he'd kick your ass.

Dead_End · Post by **Dead_End** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:40 pm

as far as i'm concerned, as long as there is music then there will be punk rock. period.

B_Ko · Post by **B_Ko** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:55 pm

Ray+Wendy wrote:Just out of curiosity, how old is everyone here talking about punk?

One of the most astounding ads for a punk band was asking for "ages 18-25." This age group wasn't even out of kindergarten when punk started.

Yeah, I am an old fart, but at least I was there and can truthfully say that it, as least, is dying.

The best music is the stuff thats older than I am, i.e. ramones, sex pistols, black flag, casualties, bad religion, etc.

B_Ko · Post by **B_Ko** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:04 pm

The Clash, Crass, Subhumans, UK Subs, Minor Threat, The Ramones, D.I., Fear, The Angry Samoans, GBH, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Iggy and the Stooges, The Birthday Party, The Damned, Dead Kennedys, Descendants, Bad Religion, Screeching Weasel, New York Dolls, Dead Boys, The Exploited, Johnny Thunders, The Misfits, X-Ray Specs, Richard Hell (and the Voidoids), The Buzzcocks, The Circle Jerks, Husker Du, Stiff Little Fingers, Blondie, MDC, SNFU, 7 Seconds, Patty Smith.

Your list kicks my list's ass. However, a few notes:

Bad Religion: I don't i have ever heard, nor will i ever hear, a bad song by them.

SNFU: "Don't have the Cow" Kicks ass.

Descendants: "'Merican" kicks ass.

Ramones: I get to play music during my science class. One day i played the Ramones Their Toughest Hits. During "Sheena is a Punk Rocker" a blond rap addict came in and said, quite loudly i might add, "What is this? What is this rock crap? God, Kershaw, why don't you ever listen to stuff thats not screaming crap?!"

My response to this was as follows:

"...G-gah...what did...what did you just say? Ramones? Screaming? The fuck is wrong with you?"

That is all.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:26 pm

The Clash, Crass, Subhumans, UK Subs, Minor Threat, The Ramones, D.I., Fear, The Angry Samoans, GBH, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Iggy and the Stooges, The Birthday Party, The Damned, Dead Kennedys, Descendants, Bad Religion, Screeching Weasel, New York Dolls, Dead Boys, The Exploited, Johnny Thunders, The Misfits, X-Ray Specs, Richard Hell (and the Voidoids), The Buzzcocks, The Circle Jerks, Husker Du, Stiff Little Fingers, Blondie, MDC, SNFU, 7 Seconds, Patty Smith.

ok
what the fuck kind of "message" do the misfits provide
or the ramones for that matter
or fear
new york dolls (oh lets all do junk and dress up like girls, what a great message)

your point is completely biased, uneducated, and invalid

next please

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:30 pm

furthermore i can't even believe i'm argueing about the sex pistols and punk rock with someone who
doesn't even know the name of "anarchy in the uk"

(which if this is all you know of the sex pistols do yourself a fucking favor and buy or even download a record, theres lots of other songs that are 10 times better, and i don't mean my way by sid junk fiend)

kinda hard to sway someones opinion when you don't know what your talking about

and for the record
johnny rotten is irish not british

pryjmaty · Post by **pryjmaty** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:55 pm

*yawn*

blindboy · Post by **blindboy** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:20 pm

In my opinion traditional punk music is dead the attitude is still alive. You can only do so much with three chords and three basic drum patterns.

mehem · Post by **mehem** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:30 pm

Uhh....hey McLaren try Finsbury Park in London,and they were more of a fashion statement who copied the look of CBGB(weren't they the cute punk rock version of the monkees?) then a band who 1. couldn't play(even though in time Steve learned,again the davey jones reference),2-outside of stating the obvious about anarchy,abortion,violence,apathy or fascism what did they bring to the table as song writers in their 2 years?Some good bar brawls in middle America or oh i know a cute cartoon,"it was on the good ship penis" wow.3-godamn I should just write some more Friggin on the Riggin freakin' lyrics.They don't even come close to Iggy or Jello as song writers period,or even Lux or Ian for that matter.To even imply that the pistols were a good "band" is just laughable,sideshow yeah I got a kick out of the riverboat incident.

Reverend_ Hate · Post by **Reverend_ Hate** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:04 pm

Ok,my two cents,no matter how unwanted it may be.As far as GG goes,I fuckin love the guy.He didn't give a fuck,and whether or not you AGREE with some or,fuck,MOST of what he did and said,HE HAD A BIG INFLUENCE.I mean,shit,Dee Dee Ramone is even quoted as sayin GG was very influential.Dee Dee was a member of the Murder Junkies for a while.Jerry Only has been quoted as saying he was influential,hell even Glenn Danzig.So if such big names such established "punks with a message" to their music were so heavily affected by him,thendoesn't it stand to reason that their music,after hearing and meeting GG,was influenced by him?Anyway,that's my two cents,also Junkie,nicely fuckin said up there man.And Joe,get at me big guy.

Nephilim · Post by **Nephilim** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:15 pm

rec|use wrote:
ok
what the fuck kind of "message" do the misfits provide
or the ramones for that matter
or fear
new york dolls (oh lets all do junk and dress up like girls, what a great message)

your point is completely biased, uneducated, and invalid

next please

Ramones:

Bonzo Goes to Bitburg
Rock 'n Roll Radio
Psychotherapy
Gabba Gabba Hey
Blitzkrieg Bop
.....okay, I'm not even going to finish this list. If you have to question whether or not the Ramones or Fear had any messages in any of their songs you automatically disqualify yourself from this discussion, and in my eyes, punk rock.

The Misfits and NYD I'll give you, weren't big on the message thing, but they were still incredibly influential.