Aleister wrote:
My point was this.
A promoter promotes a night.
i am not a professionaly trained promoter, i am a combat photographer that started a club night cuz i wanted to, im doing the best i can.
Aleister wrote:
whats the hype here, it's the night where you can hear anything and everything?
yeah thats pretty much exactly it
Aleister wrote:
whether it be this or that, one type of music or another atleast I'd know what I'd be driving 4 hours in one night for but if he or she can't really decide then I as the customer, really doesn't have to come? that is my point.
we have always stated that its an alternative dance night based based around darker music but not confined to darker music, this is clearly stated on the web site - i dont know many people that make a 4 hour drive round trip from bristol, it usually takes me an hour one way from knox, but i understand your point - it is a long drive esp if your looking to hear only gothic music and you get there and you hear such a wide variety of stuff, i can see how that would be terribly dissappointing -
as far as whats getting played, i HAVE decided, i call it a diverse pot luck of dance music you prolly wont hear at most other clubs in knoxville at a weekly night - and your right, you as a customer dont have to come - i never said you did, i just said i like having you there, but your right, it is totally your call if you want to make the drive or not - im sure there are plenty of clubs in the bristol area that are open on saturdays, it is near a college town - the rafters (in johnson city) has a monthly goth night now, its on a friday, but you might be able to check with them and see if they have a darker mood thing happening on saturday nights - we would miss your company, but we dont want you unhappy
Aleister wrote:
you know you guys are way to touchy about whatever,
calm down, I know it's Knoxville, (ick Clinton) but you know it doesn't have to be.
i dont feel i am too touchy about this, just want to make sure its clear that you mislabeled what i had already labeled from the begining, i want to be sure you know what your getting so you dont have to make that trip if you dont want to - but its all cool - and yeah i know its knoxville (not new york city) and i WANT it to be knoxville, if i didnt , i would move to another town - but i like it
Aleister wrote:
When I had 7th Street people were begging me to do something in Knoxville, becuase they knew it would be something wicked cool and it would last and it would be what it's supposed to be not "whatever" to whomever"
why didnt you? we as knoxvillians might still have multiple gothic dance nights now
Aleister wrote:Again the job of the promoter is to get people he wants to see out in the club. certain bands bring certain people, certain music brings certain people etc, it's a very simple concept.
i thougth the job of the promoter was to make money - in which case i am failing horribly -
but if the job of the promoter is to get people he wants to see out in the club, then i have succeded - i see people with diverse interests in various styles of music, and an open mind to appreciate other peopels interests in various styles of music - and on top of that, a lot of us like irish car bombs as well
woot!!Aleister wrote:
my credintials are I owned the best club in east Tennessee for 6 years, 7th Street and I closed it with money in my pocket when I wanted to close it. I have a good idea of what is what, I worked for very hugelly successful promoters in Manhattan and learned from the best.
my credintials are listening to lots of music, making some friends, and enjoying their company and being too stupid to know when im beat
i didnt learn from anyone, so i made the night belong to everyone - thats why we have our patrons DJ, thats why we have theme nights drivin by what people on the temple forum are asking for - its a community run night for the most part - i appreciate your expereince and insight esp your training with manhatten promoters, but i think you have the wrong idea about what temple was supposed to be from the start, a night of the people
Aleister wrote:
basically if your going play variant music the begining or end of the night are the two best times, not midnight, basically either play the off stuff early when no one is there or late to run people out.
but some people like to dance to ABBA at midnight, even goths
Aleister wrote:
The main thing I learned was you have to pay people because then you have leverage to tell them what to do and not to do, it's not like they are doing you a favor.
i do pay my DJs, even before i pay anyone else. i do tell them what to play, "stuff they like that people can dance to", unless its early or late then they can play pretty much anything - and i disagree, they are doing me a favor, they are sharing themselves with everyone in the club, including me, and the patrons are doing me a favor by showing up - i dont feel like anyone that works for , or attends, temple in my debt, i feel as if i am in theirs. (damn small town southern mentality)
Aleister wrote:
DJ's should get paid, bands should get paid they are worth every cent.
i agree, and as stated above, all my djs (even the opener that has never spun before) get paid - i have even had to chase a few down to give them money. (BRAD!)
Aleister wrote:
anyway that's my two cents, Not sure if we will return now that we know the night could be this or that and we will just blame it on Knoxville or something going on someplace else.
the plan should be to call the night something have direction and hold the course for a period of time to build the night, promote and keep people happy not make excuses.
i understand, and like i said, we like having you around, and you will be missed if you decide not to come out - but dont blame it on knoxville, its all my fault
maybe the plan should be different, but i have what i have and i love what i do and i am having a blast doing it - i think the people are happy, and im not making excuses for anything, i am doing it my way
btw, the offer still stands to let you dj there if you would like, just let me know and i know bev wanted to do some vending, so if she still wants to and it doesnt clash with wasted potential stuff, have her drop me an email!
hope to see you out again, but i totally understand if you dont want to - it was a pleasure meeting you both
jay
Thanks for the advice Aleister, but you are right, this is not NY. Nor is is San Francisco, nor is it NOLA. Maybe clubs there can afford to have a more select clientele, but we all need to band together here to keep these nights going. That means keeping the music fun and interesting for everyone.
but I wouldn't trade if for the world, I have a new family here...