Gothic Night Music?

Onibubba · Post by **Onibubba** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:13 pm

temple wrote:I was just wondering whats with the "set list" does noone play free at all just pick your tunes and play them in a certain order?

It's just a guide. Jay lets a lot of us with little to no DJ experience play sets - about an hour long. Sure, if you are comfortable with everything and want to play it on the fly, I suppose you can. I think that most of the posted setlists on Sanctus and Temple are what was played on any given night though, not the intended sets.

temple · Post by **temple** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:22 pm

Onibubba wrote:
temple wrote:I was just wondering whats with the "set list" does noone play free at all just pick your tunes and play them in a certain order?

It's just a guide. Jay lets a lot of us with little to no DJ experience play sets - about an hour long. Sure, if you are comfortable with everything and want to play it on the fly, I suppose you can. I think that most of the posted setlists on Sanctus and Temple are what was played on any given night though, not the intended sets.

nice!

tat2jay · Post by **tat2jay** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:24 pm

i use a set list to get an idea of tracks i want to play, just so i dont forget any key tracks i wanted to get in during the night -
but its only a reminderlist/guidline, i do switch it up and play what i feel as the night develops to stay fluid, i just like having a tip sheet for whats been groovin with me well the past week or so

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:29 pm

I burned the music I wanted to play on discs, made a track listing for them all, then played on the fly according to who was there and how the dancefloor looked.

white_darkness · Post by **white_darkness** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:22 pm

rec|use wrote:the internet is a good tool
online zines
paper publications

maybe a music history class

those would be usefull

I'm going to dispute part of this just because I feel it's needed.

In the observation of the various "genres" out there and the various online zines, paper publications, etc. I've only noted a penchant for adding more barely definable labels and creating more useless terms than for any attempt at classification.

While not going into any specifics, it's fairly common and reasonable to expect that "band A" will be declared by one group to be EBM, another to be IDM, and yet another may call it Electroclash, while yet a fourth will pull out some other "genre" to dump a band into.

Or the desperate attempts to legitimize a "genre" by rewriting history and labeling a variety of older groups as belonging to the new "genre" that has in reality no history or definable characteristics.

Essentially, I view "genres" as frequently used today as a form of hair-splitting.

Not to say that there aren't some genres out there. However, if you can't define something successfully and clearly, it's most likely a subset of something larger and actually definable, not an independent beast in it's on right.

I can say Country and most people will think of a country artist.
I can say Lounge and most people will have a clear impression.
I can say Pop and people will have a clear impression.

I can say IDM, and people will just scratch their heads.

I personally think people have been getting to happy with coining new "genre" labels. And most internet material is an excellent example of this chaos that is being created.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:15 pm

yeah i dunno genre names are just obvious good tool

idm bands are idm bands
and ebm bands are ebm bands

if zines can't get it straight it's not my fault
and it's not the fault of anyone who uses genres to get a point across

i think it's important to get shit straight
esp in the world of underground electronic music
most people would group that all under "techno"
but
if i'm gonna buy a record
i wanna know that it's not like house or breaks or anything like that
i wanna know what i'm getting into
breaking those things down into smaller categories
makes it easier for me to dig up the bands in said genres

i listen to drum n bass that's not house
so to mix them together is gonna make it very difficult for me to find new artists that i've never heard
esp in a retail store situation
but if i say
hey what is this record
and the guys say
oh it's like drum n bass stuff blah blah blah
then i'm more apt to buy it instead of looking at it scratching my head

so if i went to a store and all the subcultures were just housed in big boxes
and they all said "goth records"
i wouldn't even dig through em because i usually don't buy very many "goth" records

so why group
ebm bands
industrial bands
punk bands
etc.. in the category of goth

it just doesn't work

genre names rock

The Fallen · Post by **The Fallen** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:20 pm

Probably because for the most part, you don't hear them played very often outside of "goth" nights. Sure there are a few wholly industrial or noise clubs but they seem to get a population of those "gothic" kids. I wonder why?

But let me toss in my three cents here, I lump music into three basic categories, genres, lists to wipe my ass with, etc etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum :

I don't like to puke that often so you get the point.
I don't care whether its retro-techno-rap of post-modern-industrial-pop. It's what I like and what I don't like. And if you don't like it, here have a suppository :mrgreen:

The Fallen · Post by **The Fallen** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:34 pm

Oh I suppose I should put up a list of music or some shit that people will whine bitch and moan (or is that mine witch and bone) about.

Fleur
ASP
Karna
Sny (yes these last two are russian and the bloody forum doesn't carry the txt for cyrillic)
BlutEngel
De\Vision
Psyche
Chateau de Hoie
and some pansy goth/industrial/ebm/darkwave/whogivesafuck band called Apoptygma Berzerk

QueenOfTheFlock · Post by **QueenOfTheFlock** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:04 pm

Shadow wrote:
tat2jay wrote:just for that i am never playing Disturbed at temple while you are there ever again

That's fine with me, no one else likes it but me anyway, so why appeal to one person, when you can appeal to the masses.

Well, I managed to get Dustin to play a Keane song for me....so why not? heh. There was more than a couple people moaning. Hehe.

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:06 pm

X wrote:ya know what...who fucking cares.

novelty works
weird shit works
letting people be retards works
half of the fucking bands listed in this longass boring post usually don't work...HERE
do they work somewhere else...yes. That is one privledge i have with getting to travel...i don't wanna just drive, wrestle, drive...so i find out whats going on ahead of time, and i'm usually like...vomitting at the pure gothness i see sometimes.

its like this

if it works for where you are..then fucking do it.
if you are in some other city, and it works there...then do it.

its different every where you go, so just stick with what works where you are at.

Agreed (except for the wrestling thing, thats' all you).

I don't think ANYONE will ever agree on what all is goth. I personaly don't think he Cure is all that goth. I mean, they are goth-ish, but not all that goth. But that's just my opinion, just like everything else in this thread. t's all opinions. I don't see anything set in stone by the goth gods anywhere.

celticsmith · Post by **celticsmith** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:21 pm

The Fallen wrote:Probably because for the most part, you don't hear them played very often outside of "goth" nights. Sure there are a few wholly industrial or noise clubs but they seem to get a population of those "gothic" kids. I wonder why?

But let me toss in my three cents here, I lump music into three basic categories, genres, lists to wipe my ass with, etc etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum :
1Â¢: music I like to listen to
2Â¢: music I like to dance to
3Â¢: music I like to puke to
I don't like to puke that often so you get the point.
I don't care whether its retro-techno-rap of post-modern-industrial-pop. It's what I like and what I don't like. And if you don't like it, here have a suppository

Oh good...I was afraid I was going to have to agree with X....but I like this point of view better. Now I don't have to stab myself in the leg to hide my shame....Again!

I went to an all Industrial night once in Dayton Ohio....REALLY....after about an hour all the music sounded the same.....thumpa thumpa thumpa.....

The really spooky thing...ALL the people on the dance floor were dancing EXACTLY THE SAME WAY!!!!.......Sadly...I recently heard that this club was no more.....go figure? The other night that sport a bit more variety seem to be doing just fine....One even expanded to a larger venue......which was a pity since I liked the smaller one. The quality of the sound in that strangly irregular space was astonishinly good......I still want the name out their sound tech. He is Mister Wizard.

The aluminum diamond deck dance floor was scary though .

I'm sorry...what was the topic again?

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tat2jay · Post by **tat2jay** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:23 pm

Shadow wrote:
tat2jay wrote:just for that i am never playing Disturbed at temple while you are there ever again

That's fine with me, no one else likes it but me anyway, so why appeal to one person, when you can appeal to the masses.

work on your sarcasm monitor, the brightness may be off a lil

i will play it cuz i like it, and i have more than a few people tell me the same, the main problem is your never there when i DO play it

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:01 pm

tat2jay wrote:
Shadow wrote:
tat2jay wrote:just for that i am never playing Disturbed at temple while you are there ever again

That's fine with me, no one else likes it but me anyway, so why appeal to one person, when you can appeal to the masses.

work on your sarcasm monitor, the brightness may be off a lil
i will play it cuz i like it, and i have more than a few people tell me the same, the main problem is your never there when i DO play it

I haven't downloaded the sarcasam program on the new to me computer yet. You need to play it on Diva time, not eastern standard time, then I will be there to dance to it.

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:11 am

I don't care whether its retro-techno-rap of post-modern-industrial-pop. It's what I like and what I don't like. And if you don't like it, here have a suppository

[sarcasm]wow i take it all back then[/sarcasm]

Asher · Post by **Asher** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:05 am

A gawth forum just isnt a gawth forum without one of these threads is it? :roll:

rec|use · Post by **rec|use** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:13 am

one of what threads

Wolfs_Bane · Post by **Wolfs_Bane** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:24 am

Ok this is just little ol me here but Sunny Came Home by Shawn Colvin is pretty gothic soundeing to me and its also a grate song to play the ps1 game D to as well. And I know that Melissa Etheridge isn't really gothic either but her music is grate to dance too.

WB

Wolfs_Bane · Post by **Wolfs_Bane** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:35 am

Oh I forgot to tell you some other gothic sounding songs by Shawn Colvin

Suicide Alley
84,000 Different Delusions
You and the Mona Lisa

WB

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:59 pm

Fallen, I will tell JaZilla to lay off SQUISHing you for a while.

I don't like music because it falls into the proper genre; I like it because it's good (IMO). Maybe that's why I listen to music from every genre - yes, Country, Rap, & Pop included. My taste isn't cut 'n' paste.
Bite me.

Hey, I agree about the Shawn Colvin - and - HERESY! - an awful damn lot of Blue Grass and Mountain Music is Goth as fuck.
HILLBILLIES ARE GOTH AS HELL
Death! Blood Feud! Ghosts! Deep Dark Depression, Excessive Misery!
Endless Longing For The One You've Murdered!
If Weren't For Bad Luck, I'd Have No Luck At ALL!
hammers her hand to her forehead with a penny nail

Onibubba · Post by **Onibubba** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:49 am

JaNell wrote:Fallen, I will tell JaZilla to lay off SQUISHing you for a while.

Hey, I agree about the Shawn Colvin - and - HERESY! - an awful damn lot of Blue Grass and Mountain Music is Goth as fuck.
HILLBILLIES ARE GOTH AS HELL
Death! Blood Feud! Ghosts! Deep Dark Depression, Excessive Misery!
Endless Longing For The One You've Murdered!
If Weren't For Bad Luck, I'd Have No Luck At ALL!
hammers her hand to her forehead with a penny nail

Nick Cave (Murder Ballads) and I would agree. That high lonesome twang can err on the spooky side at times