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Caustic · Post by **Caustic** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 12:53 am

Buttercup wrote:As for what to wear to sanctus..I suggest clothing...

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Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:06 pm

The weather should be nice enough for plenty of us to sit outside & enjoy the event there. Love child, I would be delighted to see you & your mom at this next one.

Those who are worrying about the amount of smoke only have the best intentions, I'm sure. I'd never want to lecture you on how to conduct yourself during your pregnancy, since every time I've talked to you, you seem to have the situation well in hand.

I would like to warn you about the noise level, though. When I was pregnant with Patrick I had to miss some good shows because my doctor said the noise level could cause the baby to be hearing impaired. I'm sure the patio will be a safe enough distance from any noise or smoke that may be harmful.

I look forward to seeing you again soon!

Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:14 pm

Oh, as for the whole underage debate... no. If you aren't old enough yet, you aren't old enough yet. It would be terribly selfish of someone to risk ruining the best thing that ever happened to this scene by forcing themselves in prematurely. I understand your frustration, but that's the end of that. Come to venues that are appropriate for your age group... 11th street, kareoke nights, & that kind of thing. I don't care how cool you think your parents are, no one wants trouble like that. Trust me, I speak from far too much experience here. Patience in all things, young ones.

jenna · Post by **jenna** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:39 pm

The whole wether or not to go to Sanctus while pregnant thing is an individual decision.
The last Sanctus i went to i was about 17 weeks along. But, by the time the next one came along the Dr. had put me on modified bed-rest and i was feeling to worn down and in to much pain for going to anything like that.
However, if you are (be honest with yourself) feeling physically up to it, and your Dr. hasn't placed any restrictions on you there is no reason to avoid Sanctus. Assuming you follow previously mentioned advise on being careful about the smoke amounts and loud music.

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:57 pm

i am just concerned for the unborn baby. it may not be my place, but i would rather become unpopular for my views, than either lovechild or her child suffer.

Scorptrio · Post by **Scorptrio** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:29 pm

I'm hoping for a warm Sanctus night with no rain. Maybe even warm enough so the heat won't be on inside. What am I saying? It's always HOT inside… because of all you hot people. A patio party will be great - I've missed the "dual venue" feeling Sanctus has in the spring thru fall. The winter is over and no one could be happier about it. It's been nearly a year since my first Sanctus and I went from knowing two or three people to knowing hundreds. Thanks to all who have made me feel welcome in the past 10 months and to those who haven't, you've been entertaining to say the least. For those of you I haven't met yet, I hope to soon. See you all on Sunday!

feline · Post by **feline** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:54 am

Thanks Mother Mo....it seems like everyone is overly concerned about Lovechild. As her mom[and the mom to 3 total] I think everyone is too concerned!She has waited patiently to turn 18 so she could go, she will be stuck not going anywhere for several weeks after the baby is born and needs this time out. She has continued to go to school and work and done just fine,her brother and I will both be with her, she is closer to the hospital at sanctus than at home, really...babies dont just drop out during a first time! :roll:

As far as the smoke, it is a one time thing and to be honest ,I smoked the whole time[ before we heard about health concerns] with her brother[Aerick Ravenheart]and he was fine[well, if you know him THAT may be debateable!LOL!]She still has 3 1/2 weeks untill term and as she said ,we have a long history of going over due in our family[all 3 of mine were late] and the doctor said last Tuesday that she wasnt ready.We will definately be at Sanctus but yes ...we will be careful and not stay too long and get her overtired and exposed to harmful conditions excessively.

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:34 pm

my mother smoked with one of my sister's and she is dead. she died at 40 days old . she would have been 26 years old last friday. so, yeah the doctors tell you to not smoke for a reason. i, too am mother, and i wouldn't be as selfish to smoke and risk my babies.

if she wanted to have fun at 18, she shouldn't have gotten pregnant at 17.

feline · Post by **feline** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:22 pm

I agree with you to a certain extent. I did quit with my last two [I was 17 and didnt know any better with my first] but I think it would vary.If your mom was an excessive smoker it could have caused harm, but it could have also been any number of things. As I said before, being in a smoke filled room off and on for only up to two hours isnt going to hurt anything. A baby is pretty well protected due to the fact that all harmful irritants have to cross the placenta and are filtered out somewhat before it even reaches the baby. Lovechilds baby is not in a developemental stage right now and could survive if born now...she is also carrying a girl which according to doctors do much better than boys if born early. We appreciate your concern, but this has to be a personal decision.

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:45 pm

with that argument, are you saying that at 37 weeks, a mother could start smoking crack and it wouldn't harm the baby?

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:55 pm

I don't think that going to sanctus once is gonna hurt the baby really..but being around it a lot..yes. Smoking yourself while pregnant is fucking retarded I'm sorry. Yeah, it might not cause them to be sickly, but you are depriving them of oxygen to the brain and who knows how many braincells they could have had if they had all the oxygen they needed. Maybe they too would be smart enough not to smoke when pregnant.

I understand where you are coming from littlepockit. As a a mom, and a teen mom at that, I never wanted to punish another innocent being with my ignorance. And no, the child is no longer developing, but you can still give it brain damage....

But hey, ignorance begats ignorance.....

lovechild · Post by **lovechild** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:00 pm

though i have been staying away from this thread i feel it is again time for me to post...

I did indeed attend sanctus...and i have to say that i had a wonderful time and that i am glad that i went..I know you all love me but please lets give this subject a rest...it only is going in circles...lilpocket, though i dont agree with your views i respect them...and so i am asking you to respect mine...attending last night wasnt at all selfish...i was for the most part on the patio and for a few songs yes i went inside and danced... i stayed for 3 hours and then left, not because i was feeling sick or tierd, but hungry...lol.

Thank you all for your concerns about me, it shows that i have people who care. I just started my maternity leave from work and am resting up for my long journey into parenthood...though i dont think any amount of sleep that i get will make up for those first few weeks...lol.

Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:47 am

Lovechild, it was great to see to see you out! I'm sorry if anyone has caused you any grief over your attendance. You weren't the first pregnant chick to come to Sanctus & I'm sure you won't be the last. It is a shame that so much stress is caused over people attempting to communicate their concerns.

Lilpocket, I'm sure only means you & your baby well. After all, no one would want to cause a young woman about to give birth alot of stress simply because she goes dancing with her mother & brother. As to the teenage pregnancy thing, I gave birth to my daughter at 17 & it marks one of the best moments of my life. Like other young moms, I worked & finished school while pregnant, despite the huge amounts of ugliness from relatives saying I should "just drop out now" or who tried to bully me into abortion or adoption. The most harmful elements of my pregnancy were people who caused me stress & needless guilt. As a survivor of such unpleasantness, I can say with all certainty that the good intentions of such individuals is often drowned in seas of judgement & cruelty.

Everyone has an opinion. Just protect yourself from the ones that do more harm than good. Rest well, & enjoy the rest of your pregnancy! Feline, be sure to post when she delivers!

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:34 pm

i don't love you, i was concerned for the baby. i work in a place where i see lots of babies. smoking while pregnant can cause low birth weight, allergies, ear and immune problems, brain damage, heart problems, and even death. i know you had smoked early on, but i was hoping you quit for the sake of your baby.

i do hope that your baby is born healthy and perfect as humanly possible. i would hate for the heartache of a seriously ill child.

i am not trying to cause problems, or what not. i just hope you do what is best for your baby. and maybe all of this back and forth may help someone else do wahts right for their child(ren).

lovechild · Post by **lovechild** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:09 am

when i said "i know that you all love me" i was speaking to the group as a whole...not just you...

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:34 am

All personal shit aside......last night at the Playboy party my group witnessed a very attractive well dressed very pregnant brunette strut across the room..She was very pretty and dressed very appropriately to be so pregnant...no one was concerned with the fact that she was pregnant at a club...........

Until we were all horrified by the ciggerette hanging out of her mouth. everyone in the lounge said the same thing...WAS THAT GIRL PREGNANT AND SMOKING?????? What a fucktard, I have no idea how you can be a human being in modern society with all of todays tests and education and act like ciggerettes are oK to do while you are pregnant. yet there it was. Ingnorance incarnate!

stupid girl

this post is not directed at ANYONE on this forum, merely a relative observation of health that happened last night

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:05 am

Smoke is bad for babies inside or out of the womb. I don't think that Lovechild or her mom are going to be smoking around the baby or taking it to nightclubs or drinking/smoking parties or anything horrible like that.

Lovechild, we truly aren't picking on you or your mom. There are lots of others who need to hear what Buttercup and Littlepockit are saying, too. It's much more important that you don't smoke while pregnant (or let people to smoke around you every day), or allow people to smoke around your baby once it gets here, than whether you came to Sanctus ONCE during your pregnancy.
:hugs:

lovechild · Post by **lovechild** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:53 am

yes, i agree with you janell....i will have no secound hand smoke around my child once she's here...and as far as drinking or anyone taking care of the baby when they are intoxicated Hell NO!

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:26 am

I just thought I'd mention that the reason me and littlepockit were initially concerned is because we witnessed you smoking at 11th street not long after you announced your pregnancy to the board. And if you found it ok to smoke during those early developmental stages, perhaps you'd continue to find it ok throughout pregnancy and the childs infancy and I don't think any child deserves that.

Killing yourself slowly is one thing, but harming an innocent life is another...

I was a teen mother myself, I had my son when I was 14. I didn't have an abortion because it just wasn't for me...and I didn't wish to punish a life for my mistakes. I never smoked or drank while pregnant either. Being born to a teenager can make life hard enough for a kid, no reason to set them back anymore than neccessary. Give those babies a heathly start...health is your greatest wealth.

Good luck to you and the baby.

Caustic · Post by **Caustic** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:56 am

Buttercup wrote:Give those babies a heathly start...health is your greatest wealth.

You seem to have forgotten about outdoor gas grills.

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