i have a problem with being told to go to another country and die
if the war was on our land, like us being invaded, id be the
first asshole out the door to fire back and say fuck the draft where do i just volunteer?
i am opposed to military service (Explain in a second), but when im gonna die anyway and the fuckers wanna come over here and fuck with me and my people? haha. fuck the hamas, we have rednecks. hamas will kill you, rednecks will KEEP you....
the fuckers come onto my land, i see that as self defense and helping protect the country in a way i actually can live with.
thats the ONLY way i can justify it.... thats my belief structure talking and i dont really think thats something im required to explain.
but i support any man or woman who can do it to the hilt, and respect them for the soliders they are. thats an ungodly word to use to describe yourself, god bless you every one.
i dont think the situations dictate a reason for me to go and fight. if shit were like world war 2 levels, yea id go. no problem.
i love the military. ours is the best in the world for what it does. mad respect to you ALL.
but i dont want any part of it. im morally, religiously, and emotionally shut off by that. i cant do that job, glad you can.
and the CO thing... my dads best friend growing up tried to be a CO. he died the first month he was in 'nam. still didnt believe in the war. cost him life. the criteria for being a CO is tough to hit unless your clergy basicly, who cant be drafted anyway
CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION AND ALTERNATIVE SERVICE
A conscientious objector is one who is opposed to serving in the armed forces and/or bearing arms on the grounds of moral or religious principles.
HOW TO APPLY
In general, once a man gets a notice that he has been found qualified for military service, he has the opportunity to make a claim for classification as a conscientious objector (CO). A registrant making a claim for Conscientious Objection is required to appear before his local board to explain his beliefs.
He may provide written documentation or include personal appearances by people he knows who can attest to his claims. His written statement might explain:
how he arrived at his beliefs; and
the influence his beliefs have had on how he lives his life.
until they rearranged the site, this was over a page long.
and people ask me why i dont trust the government.
The local board will decide whether to grant or deny a CO classification based on the evidence a registrant has presented.
A man may appeal a Local Board's decision to a Selective Service District Appeal Board. If the Appeal Board also denies his claim, but the vote is not unanimous, he may further appeal the decision to the National Appeal Board. See also Classifications.
WHO QUALIFIES?
Beliefs which qualify a registrant for CO status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical; however, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims.
SERVICE AS A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR
Two types of service are available to conscientious objectors, and the type assigned is determined by the individual's specific beliefs. The person who is opposed to any form of military service will be assigned to Alternative Service - described below. The person whose beliefs allow him to serve in the military but in a noncombatant capacity will serve in the Armed Forces but will not be assigned training or duties that include using weapons.
ALTERNATIVE SERVICE
Conscientious Objectors opposed to serving in the military will be placed in the Selective Service Alternative Service Program. This program attempts to match COs with local employers. Many types of jobs are available, however the job must be deemed to make a meaningful contribution to the maintenance of the national health, safety, and interest. Examples of Alternative Service are jobs in:
conservation
caring for the very young or very old
education
health care
Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have served in the military, usually 24 months.
i have no problem with doing alternative service HERE.
i have no problem with defending HERE
the obvious next question of "why dont you join the guard?" is answered by "if it comes down to it i will" but not all of us are cut for service.
im not cut out to be given orders that effect lives.
you guys that can, you fuckin rock.
i have a problem with going other places.
theres citizens that are into that, great. im not one
if the global community supported this terror war, i probably wouldnt bitch about the draft idea alot.
if the UN was backing us on this officially, id say "damn and we still need a draft with all this shit? fuck it man we all gotta die sometime"
WE SHOULDNT BE DRAFTING, WE SHOULD BE TALKING TO THE UN.
we MADE the UN to police the globe, i dont think we should be drafting out own citizens to do it because the UN isnt as into this as we are. sorry. hate me for it, but thats my take.
i have ungodly respect and faith in our troops
i just dont think its time for us to say YOUR ALL ONE NOW.
just because i honor and respect our armed forces doesnt mean i should be one unless it was a matter of life and death
sorry but war without the UN doesnt make me feel like this draft is remotely needed.
esp considering some people have religious and moral objections to this.
BUT because my choices and lifestyle is not approved by my local peers my bid for a CO would be overlooked because i dont fit the right wing christian view of life.maybe if we had a commander and chief i trusted id have a different opinion to, but i wouldnt even elect GWB as class president to a room full of 1st graders.
i was wrong on women, i missed the final case on that one.
THE LAW
Selective Service law as it's written now refers specifically to "male persons" in stating who must register and who would be drafted. For women to be required to register with Selective Service, Congress would have to amend the law.
THE SUPREME COURT
The constitutionality of excluding women was tested in the courts. A Supreme Court decision in 1981, Rostker v. Goldberg, held that registering only men did not violate the due process clause of the Constitution.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
At President Clinton's request, the Department of Defense reviewed this issue in 1994. DoD noted that America's prior drafts were used to supply adequate numbers of Army ground combat troops. Because women are excluded by policy from front line combat positions, excluding them from the draft process remains justifiable in DoD's view. Although no conclusions were reached, DoD recognized that policies regarding women need to be reviewed periodically because the role of women in the military continues to expand.
The Selective Service System, if given the mission and additional funding, is capable of registering and drafting women with its existing infrastructure.
i thought when clinton requested it, it got passed. whoops. sorry. been wrong on that one for YEARS now
I generally don't mind grammer mistakes, I make most of them myself. I don't mind incorrect punctuation or mispelling so much. I just like to know where the sentence ends so I'm not misreading something since punctuation can completely change what a sentence means. hehe. Hope they know I wasn't trying to be mean.