Karma problems

Lost Traveler · Post by **Lost Traveler** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:36 pm

just because its topical.

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:47 pm

I don't quite believe in karma. However, I do believe in the Chaos Theory. That is to say, as explained by the Butterfly Effect,

"For want of a nail, the shoe was lost;
For want of a shoe, the horse was lost;
For want of a horse, the rider was lost;
For want of a rider, a message was lost;
For want of a message the battle was lost;
For want of a battle, the kingdom was lost!"

:mrgreen:

And not only does it sound good, but one can apply it to mathematical formula. Let's see your karma do that!

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:01 am

iblis wrote:I don't quite believe in karma. However, I do believe in the Chaos Theory. That is to say, as explained by the Butterfly Effect,

"For want of a nail, the shoe was lost;
For want of a shoe, the horse was lost;
For want of a horse, the rider was lost;
For want of a rider, a message was lost;
For want of a message the battle was lost;
For want of a battle, the kingdom was lost!"

And not only does it sound good, but one can apply it to mathematical formula. Let's see your karma do that!

Some would say that because of indescretions in the past life/lives of said King, the horseshoe nail that originally needed replacement was direct exertion of Karma.
The full story isn't given in this parable, however. Perhaps the Kingdom was an imperialistic domain, solely powered by the blood of conquered nations, or perhaps they dealt with slavery. The true karmic implications cannot be derived from your quote.

So there. :P~

MahoganyDawn · Post by **MahoganyDawn** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:15 am

Maybe the horse was just having a bad day.... or maybe it was the messenger of DOOOOM!!!!!!!

QueenOfTheFlock · Post by **QueenOfTheFlock** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:06 am

maybe the horse lost his job and had his car repo'ed because he's a piece of shit and decided to be even more of a piece of shit because of this resulting in the loss...

Lost Traveler · Post by **Lost Traveler** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:38 am

??????????????? err no its a link to a litte cartoon a goth girl worried about riding a horse :shock:

, it matched the conversation in the ugly post. by the way a butterfly never causes a hurricane matter, and energy conversion have too much flexibility for that to work over a distance of a few feet, if not inches.

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:15 pm

Lost Traveler wrote:??????????????? err no its a link to a litte cartoon a goth girl worried about riding a horse , it matched the conversation in the ugly post.

I know. I mentioned the Chaos Theory as part of a remark about my general opinion of karma.

Lost Traveler wrote:by the way a butterfly never causes a hurricane matter, and energy conversion have too much flexibility for that to work over a distance of a few feet, if not inches.

Be that as it may, I believe you're taking the wording of the name of the theory more literal than you should.

If I remember correctly, when meteorologist Edward Lorenz discovered chaotic behavior in a computer study of the weather and came up with this theory, the animal in question was a seagull, and it wasn't attributed the ability to cause hurricanes, but rather to alter the course of the weather forever. To quote the paper he gave in 1963 to the New York Academy of Sciences,

One meteorologist remarked that if the theory were correct, one flap of a seagull's wings would be enough to alter the course of the weather forever.

By the time of his talk at the December 1972 meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in D.C. the seagull had evolved into a butterfly, I'm assuming for poetic reasons - the title of his talk was:

Predictability: Does the Flap of a Butterfly’s Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?

Notice the wording - "set off". It does not necessarily imply that the original thrust of whatever could cause a tornado, but rather that it could be the original culprit. This theory is much better illustrated by that nifty Honda commercial, which was posted here in the Dumpster, where all of the nuts and bolts run into each other, setting more and more things off at will. The entire theory relies on amplification - certainly, the air moved by an insect or a bird alone would be subject to entropic forces, however one must also take into consideration every other force, object, and medium, and their eventual reaction to one another.

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Lost Traveler · Post by **Lost Traveler** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:45 pm

doh sorry was skimming and only saw the Butterfly effect at the end of the sentance then headed to the horse story. Didnt see chaos theroy (I like infinate complexity (spell) instead unless they've added in the quantum concept of unkowability, but most of this is way outside of my scope.)

maybe we can find a unifing concept in our discusion in the concept of Sincronicity (pls spell, yikes) ok ok just having fun.