i have read what you said

tat2jay · Post by **tat2jay** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:55 am

thank you kitty, some of the kindest words i have read in a long time.
i read the thread about catching the man.
i am ill. some of the things said there made me sick. i really dont even know what i expected to say in a post here. i think i just wanted people to know how i felt. i should be home this spring sometime. and ill be honest, i dont think i want to talk about this time in my life with most of you. if you want to hear about the good things that are going on over here just ask me. but if you want to tell me i am a sheep, or that we are killing people over here, you have opened up a can of debate that you will not be able to supprt. i have an idea. lets all take turns visiting iraq and talking to the locals
i have an extra cot in my room, i have plenty of MREs and fresh water. ill drive you around myself, anywhere you want to go, anytowm, we can take our translator , you can talk to anyone and let them give you a feel for whats going on here.

damnit. its all coming back to me, why did i forget the reasons i dont read the boards anymore? i guess bordem does a lot of strange things to you.

i hope to see a few of you soon.

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:07 am

It embarrasses me so that you are where you are, doing what you are doing, and you look around back home and find some of these sorry excuses for humans. They have no shame, but I am ashamed to share the planet with them.

I haven't been reading boards much either lately...so I have ignored much of it...such as bored teens in the suburbs....but some of it gets personal.

I disagree with a lot of political :horsecock: and won't get into it, because discussing it with friends is not a good idea...but I support you 100 percent.

But, I know I am someone you look forward to seeing, and I pity those who don't have you in their hearts.

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:23 am

Oh Jay, don't let it get to you. After all, it's just some angsty spoiled little white boy talking out his ass. Ignore it and it'll go away. Those vermin thrive on attention.

*hugs* to you Jay, and take care over there, OK?

judas gnb · Post by **judas gnb** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:00 am

jay you my homeboy and i will tell you i supported the war i support the troops over there what you do i dont think any of us could walk a mile in your boots on our best day keep your head up and get back home soon so we can party horsemen style

kissmeblack · Post by **kissmeblack** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:14 am

Jay,
I can't express how I feel without being repetitive... you know that I love you so much and I am proud of you, for everything you do and for the person you are. You've helped me become who I am right now and I think very highly of you. Thank you for being my friend. Thank you for being a soldier, father, husband, a blessing. I can't wait to have you back home.

Thor · Post by **Thor** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:44 am

Little blanking SOB*L%%#C punk! We miss you and support the effort you give us for our freedom! If I had any clue my + remark woud start this BS, I would have not said a word. But I'm one of few who are up at 5:30 watching the news because of people like you:), and thought I would sare his capture to KG. Now if Suz/and myself can get your mail to you some what faster GRRRR!!!

THOR! ( Whose back is allot better )

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:53 am

You know Jay, I havent met you I dont think but I think I should say you are my hero for doing what you are doing....I have read and know enough that you wife is here and as well as she, your friend miss you desperately....you must be a pretty cool chap. However.......these past posts have pissed everyone off....I hope you now know who your friend are. I dont know you.....but please come home safe!!!!

Logic · Post by **Logic** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:56 am

I would rather die then serve. If there was a draft I would flee to Canada and if I got caught anyway I'd serve jail time (which is really disgusting). It's much like serving a deity with strange beliefs.

I'm glad everyone got so up in arms about what I've had to say.

This world needs change and war is not change. You cannot further mankind by destroying it. You shouldn't be there, man. You should be home celebrating whatever holiday with your family. There's no reason you shouldn't.

Do any of you ever actually get the music your listening to?

How many of you watch programs on Comedy Central?

By the way: I just realized where the lot of you people live.

You're not a hero.

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:02 am

I think this will be my last post until admin bans mr. Illogical. I WILL NOT stand around while people are insulted. and even more so, people who are involved in something as sensitive and deadly as war. this isnt a game. People's lives are at stake. and there isnt enough fucking xanex in my house to sit around and listen to people insult JAY GD IT!!!!!!

Thor · Post by **Thor** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:07 am

Some guys just don't get it. WHEN they are not welcome here! ( That is my opinion !)

DO you FEEL LUCKY PUNK! Well DO YOU. ( Clint Eastwood )!

Thor · Post by **Thor** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:14 am

gwenhwyfar · Post by **gwenhwyfar** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:16 am

Logic wrote:I would rather die then serve. If there was a draft I would flee to Canada and if I got caught anyway I'd serve jail time (which is really disgusting). It's much like serving a deity with strange beliefs.

I'm glad everyone got so up in arms about what I've had to say.

This world needs change and war is not change. You cannot further mankind by destroying it. You shouldn't be there, man. You should be home celebrating whatever holiday with your family. There's no reason you shouldn't.

Do any of you ever actually get the music your listening to?

How many of you watch programs on Comedy Central?

By the way: I just realized where the lot of you people live.

You're not a hero.

SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU POMPOUS, INCONSIDERATE,ARROAGNT, SELFISH PIECE OF SHIT ASSHOLE!

shit, did i say that out loud. damnit. hate it when that happens.

Thor · Post by **Thor** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:29 am

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:46 am

Damn Tourettes

The Stormstress · Post by **The Stormstress** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:19 am

There will likely alwayz b nay-sayerz & punk-ass 17 yr old'z, who think they'v got it all figured out, that feel the need 2 open their mouthz & prove their own lack ov wisdom & understanding at the xpense ov otherz.

I can only say that I definitely appreciate u & all ov thoze willing 2 suffer the hardshipz ov war & giv up so much to serve our country, & thank u!

Piercedwingz · Post by **Piercedwingz** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:10 am

Logic(well the jury is still out on that).I read your post about not serving and how what is being done is not right.Now I have personally not met you.Nor at the moment do i care to.
But,one thing you should understand.If not for the members of our military.Who you so condem.You would not have the freedom to say the things that you have said on this board.Or perhaps even be able to chose things for yourself.So instead of condemming them.You should thank them.
Serving one's country is a choice.When people make this choice they are aware there are sacrifes to be made.I'm sure all the soliders overseas would much rather be home with family and loved ones.They made a choice to serve their country.So that they may protect their family and loved ones(and yourself i may add).They do so knowing the sacrife may iinculed thier own life.
I personally do not believe violence is always an answer.But,sometimes it must be used.In this case to help out fellow human beings in suffer of a tyrant.It was used and from what I've seen the people of that country are thankful.Because,now they have freedom to make thier own choices.Something that they did not have as easily before.
So,for the soilders serving here and abroad.And those who have come before.And those who have lost thier llives.To preserve our way of life.Including a personal friend of mine.Gone,but,never forgotten.I SALUTE THEM ALL!!!
And to you Logic.........I give a finger*guess which one*
~B~ :twisted:

tat2jay · Post by **tat2jay** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:38 am

Logic wrote:I would rather die then serve. If there was a draft I would flee to Canada and if I got caught anyway I'd serve jail time (which is really disgusting). It's much like serving a deity with strange beliefs.

I'm glad everyone got so up in arms about what I've had to say.

This world needs change and war is not change. You cannot further mankind by destroying it. You shouldn't be there, man. You should be home celebrating whatever holiday with your family. There's no reason you shouldn't.

Do any of you ever actually get the music your listening to?

How many of you watch programs on Comedy Central?

By the way: I just realized where the lot of you people live.

You're not a hero.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
- Voltaire

logic, some things i would like for you to read - i do not ask that you agree with them, i do not ask that you change your mind and think the way i think. i just ask that you read through them objectivly and try to understand where i am coming from. part of communication is an open path of give and take. if you would like, you can email me your personal thoughts on why you feel the way you do. i would just like for you to try to understand where i am coming from

The Soldiers Code

I. I AM AN AMERICAN SOLDIER, A PROTECTOR OF THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH, SWORN TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

II. I WILL TREAT OTHERS WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT AND EXPECT OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.

III. I WILL HONOR MY COUNTRY, THE ARMY, MY UNIT AND MY FELLOW SOLDIERS BY LIVING THE ARMY VALUES.

IV. NO MATTER WHAT SITUATION I AM IN, I WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING FOR PLEASURE, PROFIT, OR PERSONAL SAFETY WHICH WILL DISGRACE MY UNIFORM, MY UNIT, OR MY COUNTRY.

V. LASTLY, I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY AND IT?S FLAG. I WANT TO LOOK BACK AND SAY THAT I AM PROUD TO HAVE SERVED MY COUNTRY AS A SOLDIER.

___________________________________________________
Army Values

Loyalty: Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit, and other soldiers.

Duty: Fulfill your obligations.

Respect: Treat people as they should be treated.

Selfless-Service: Put the welfare of the nation, the Army, and your subordinates before your own.

Honor: Live up to all the Army values.

Integrity: Do what's right, legally and morally.

Personal Courage: Face fear, danger, or adversity (Physical or Moral).

I think some of these are the kinds of things all people should live by, not just soldiers

FreakySeekers · Post by **FreakySeekers** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:31 am

Logic wrote:I would rather die then serve. If there was a draft I would flee to Canada and if I got caught anyway I'd serve jail time (which is really disgusting). It's much like serving a deity with strange beliefs.

I'm glad everyone got so up in arms about what I've had to say.

This world needs change and war is not change. You cannot further mankind by destroying it. You shouldn't be there, man. You should be home celebrating whatever holiday with your family. There's no reason you shouldn't.

Do any of you ever actually get the music your listening to?

How many of you watch programs on Comedy Central?

By the way: I just realized where the lot of you people live.

You're not a hero.

Admin, please ban this little piece of crap. "logic"...how fucking ironic.

Jay, we miss ya. Stay safe, we'll see ya soon.

FreakySeekers · Post by **FreakySeekers** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:40 am

Too Jay and everyone over there with You!!!..................................

and the Ones that have come back to us safe and sound!

You are OUR HEROS!!!

big purrrring huggles for you when you come home dear!!,
littleseeker

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:16 am

Jay, I know I don't know you personally (yet), but I feel bad that you even had to see any of this.
I think Logic is just trying to get a rise out of alot of people but he has picked the wrong subject and the wrong people.
When you do come back I would like to meet you and give you a big hug. (If you don't mind.) :sadhug:

And I do agree that this MFer should be banned.