Informal Mac v. PC Poll

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:34 am

Just wondering what the percentage of Mac users on KG actually is ...

Mother Mo · Post by **Mother Mo** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:34 am

Janell, we both stay up far too late!

Mac is cool for the whole user friendly, virus proof thing. But I'm still more familiar with PC's. Plus, most companies have PC'c for their employees to use, so it's very practical to know how to use their systems. At home, we have 2 PC's & one splediferous Mac G5 currently.

Exquisite Mystery · Post by **Exquisite Mystery** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:18 am

I would likely enjoys Macs just fine if :
* there was more used software available.
* there was actual game troubleshooting/support for them for the games I play.
* I was used to them.
* I had one, or could get one really super-cheap.

At this point I am just used to Windows and most of the weird crap it tends to do. I don't think I want to have to learn a whole new set of rules. Plus, I know my current computer.

shadow dancer · Post by **shadow dancer** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:30 am

I use both Macs and PCs. I have a Mac at home and a PC at work.

Lost Traveler · Post by **Lost Traveler** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:31 am

Im forced to use PC's I miss macs :-(

velocity · Post by **velocity** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:22 pm

Are we speaking of Hardware Here or software. Mac is both hardware and Software. PC is a generic term used to refer to a Personal Computer, this term is inclusive of Macs if they are of a non server flavor. If this is a question relating to software then you need to have a bit more granularity in your survey as there are a number of Operating Systems that run on either mac, x86, sparc, etc hardware platforms. Linux will run on any of the Above platforms, Solaris will run on x86 or Sparc, Some unixes will run on mac, x86, or sparc. Darwin (the unix based core of Mac os 10) will run on Mac or x86 and maybe sparc. BeOS will run on x86, OS2 will run on X86, Zeta will run on x86. Then there are the numerous different flavors of windows. I realy am confused as to what you are asking.

Velocity

Celestial Dung · Post by **Celestial Dung** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:24 pm

The reasons I own a Windows is two fold. First off most software is made for it. Apple may or not be a technically better computer but it's superiority is worthless when it comes across a disc it can't read. The other reason is because of all the mean rotten things i heard about Apples while Dedboi was working on them in Hamblem County. Granted that's been a few years ago and the G4 has been winning good marks all around but still those old biases remain.

For a partisian look at windows vs. apple...

http://www.teach-nology.com/tutorials/pc_mac/

A thing I have agaisnt mac. Windows youk now percieves it's prodcut as you know...a product. Apple seems convinced to veiw their product as a rebellion tinged icon. I hate it when rebellion, counterculture, and artistic value is used as marketing schemes. For me it cheapens these things. Apple is not a mighty warrior sledgehammer against the opressive reign of Bill Gates. It's a comany that makes a product for a profit.

I will say that I do find it a convincing argument that most web sites made by apple computer appear to be cleaner and better made. I don't think it's a coincidence.

velocity · Post by **velocity** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:42 pm

Celestial Dung wrote:The reasons I own a Windows is two fold. First off most software is made for it.

This is not realy true, most business level applications have a mac port. There will be more an more open source product for mac OS X as well as it is written on top of unix. Most linux/unix software can fairly easily be ported to OS X. So as this OS matures there will be alot of applications available that will not be available for windows.

Celestial Dung wrote:Windows youk now percieves it's prodcut as you know...a product. Apple seems convinced to veiw their product as a rebellion tinged icon. I hate it when rebellion, counterculture, and artistic value is used as marketing schemes. For me it cheapens these things. Apple is not a mighty warrior sledgehammer against the opressive reign of Bill Gates. It's a comany that makes a product for a profit.

Better not go to Sanctus next month then. The fact is that Any computer user that runs an OS other then windows is in the minority. Thus they are contrary to the cultural norms, so they are indeed counter culture.

Celestial Dung wrote:I will say that I do find it a convincing argument that most web sites made by apple computer appear to be cleaner and better made. I don't think it's a coincidence.

This is a tribute to the designers and has nothing to do with the OS. At one time and probably presently the archatecture of a mac made it better at rendering images quickly, tthus graphics designers of any calibur choose this opperating system. Websites of the same calibur can be developed on just about any OS if the developer ihas a clue whatt they are doing.

JaNell · Post by **JaNell** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:40 am

I'm loving how nobody admits borrowing a computer to get online.

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:50 am

Where's the "knows how to use a bunch of OS's and doesn't care which one is on what computer at any time of the day or night as long as they can get their porn fix" option?

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:09 am

they both have their strengths and weakness
but if you have to try as hard as mac does to prove something, your hiding shit. thats just basic insight.
music, art, digital media == mac
server == linux
everything else, i go windoze. it crashes sure, but i have more job shots with windoze based shit and i perfer to use it . mac people get all racist about it.
most mac users need a damn third reich tatoo cuz they are so proud they are different or some shit. well if thats what it takes to be different... ill be a vanilla ol computer user.... with a job in it
its sheer stats people. more win based jobs for the shit i enjoy....
except for my XML development shit but i cross test it on linux emus (thank you diddy for telling me those are functional enough to try)and linux boxes that like me (read: ones i ground up the setup for).
we left off linux here though and i do use linux ALOT and know a lot of people that do too...
ibbie would be proud, i can stand linux now... (thx to XML anyway)

vertigo25 · Post by **vertigo25** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:13 am

Nexxus23 wrote:Where's the "knows how to use a bunch of OS's and doesn't care which one is on what computer at any time of the day or night as long as they can get their porn fix" option?

What she said.

And Hillary makes some very valid points, especially about the availability of software.

I always hate it when someone says "There's more software for Windows". Ummm... yeah... so? Are you going to use every piece of software that comes out?

The only thing I've seen that WinTel has over Mac is better and more games. But honestly, if I'm going to play games (which most likely I'm not... but if i was) it would be on a Playstation or Xbox.

The whole notion about most people using Windows is fairly ridiculous too these days. They can all talk to each other so well, the point has become moot. That's why we have protocols and standards.

And about this 'reading discs' comment... Never, ever, ever, ever have I seen a problem where a mac could not read a Windows disk, but have seen the opposite.

The main thing I love about Mac is that when I go to the store and buy something, I bring it home, plug it in and it works. Both my very old Kodak camera, and my new Sony worked the very first time I plugged them in to the machine. I didn't have to install anything. No drivers, no patches, no fuss, no muss. I plugged it in and it asked me what I wanted to do with the pictures. Gave me a few options, too.

Same thing with my MP3 player.

And the USB card I put into it.

And I have never

ever

crashed.

And keep in mind I'm using a "Legacy" machine (PowerPC Beige G3 266 A/V Tower) running OS X. For you PC users this would be akin to running XP on a first gen Pentium.

I lurve my Mac.

And as long as they keep makin' 'em, I'll keep usin' 'em.

karmakaze · Post by **karmakaze** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:55 am

i put up with windows because i play video games. (however, i will never buy any windows product)

Lost Traveler · Post by **Lost Traveler** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:40 pm

[quote="vertigo25And keep in mind I'm using a "Legacy" machine (PowerPC Beige G3 266 A/V Tower) running OS X. For you PC users this would be akin to running XP on a first gen Pentium.

.[/quote]

wow so Im not the only one with one of these machines still (actually mine isnt even considered a G3)

Celestial Dung · Post by **Celestial Dung** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:55 pm

If there turns out to be more software for apples in the future that's great, but I don't see it now. When I go to a computer store most of the stuff is geared toward the most fetid evil in the known universe. The Linix/.Unix surge is exciting but I can't predict if it will become the OS for the computer industry. If there's one thing I've learned from tech history it's that the best product doesn't always become the standard.

Technically you've got me on Counterculture. I should have clarified my term i suppose. to me Counterculture is just not being in the minority, but a group that takes an active role in doing something creative to oppose the norm. Beats, Hippies, 19th century romanticism, Moderns, that sort of thing is counterculture to me.

The campain behind Apple seems to suggest that all you have to do to be part of a coolness revolution is buy a product. It's that aple commerical that's so horribly famous. Smash down the cubicles and montitors of big brother with the all mighty sledgehammer of commercialism. Well I think Orwell would find it funny.

As far as Sanctus goes I see it as being publicized as an event ot go out and have a good time.

Post by **darkvader** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:37 pm

Celestial Dung wrote:If there turns out to be more software for apples in the future that's great, but I don't see it now. When I go to a computer store most of the stuff is geared toward the most fetid evil in the known universe. The Linix/.Unix surge is exciting but I can't predict if it will become the OS for the computer industry. If there's one thing I've learned from tech history it's that the best product doesn't always become the standard.

I do see it now. If I go to a computer store, 100% of the software I see runs on a Mac. (of course, that's because I go to Apple dealers, but my point is that you're going to a store that calls itself a "computer store" but is really a windoze store.) The reality is that the vast majority of software in existance will run on a modern Macintosh. The software that will run on a Mac includes not only the Mac OS native software, but also Linux software (yes, you can run linux natively on a Macintosh. http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ ) You can even run windoze software on a Mac using an emulator. (not that you'd really want to. most of it is not very good.)

Technically you've got me on Counterculture. I should have clarified my term i suppose. to me Counterculture is just not being in the minority, but a group that takes an active role in doing something creative to oppose the norm. Beats, Hippies, 19th century romanticism, Moderns, that sort of thing is counterculture to me.

The campain behind Apple seems to suggest that all you have to do to be part of a coolness revolution is buy a product. It's that Apple commerical that's so horribly famous. Smash down the cubicles and montitors of big brother with the all mighty sledgehammer of commercialism. Well I think Orwell would find it funny.

<sigh>

It's not a counterculture, it never has been. It is, however, the best computer out there, and it's not just the best for graphics use. It's also used in law offices, medical offices, industrial facilities, retail stores, travel agencies, union halls, public relaitons agencies, and horse farms. They make great home computers, great business computers, and even great toys. I've worked on Macs used for all these applications.

And the 3rd fastest supercomputer in the world is a Mac cluster. It was less expensive than anything else in the top 10, and less expensive than most in the top 100. And the 2 that are faster don't run windoze.

velocity · Post by **velocity** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:00 pm

Celestial Dung wrote:The Linix/.Unix surge is exciting but I can't predict if it will become the OS for the computer industry. If there's one thing I've learned from tech history it's that the best product doesn't always become the standard.

This is but onee article in a mainstream publication that illustrates the growth of Linux.

Linux us being promoted by huge companies.

The desktop interface is to the point that just about anyone can use it.

There are working groups devoted to making the UI even better as a desktop and to promoting it as a desktop OS.

A few years ago nobody had ever heard about Linux, now I wager it will be hard to find someone that does not at least have a basic idea as to what it is.

The stability that this opperating system has is uncanny. There is constant development on it. Linux and most of its software is under constant scrutiny which allows security issues to be found, publacised and repaired in very short order. It has a much smaller footprint then that wondows bloatware so you can run it on much more outdated hardware. etc.

Oh, bye the way, did I mention that it and most of its software are free ?

Hillary

Post by **Bone** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:44 pm

Lost Traveler wrote:
vertigo25 wrote:And keep in mind I'm using a "Legacy" machine (PowerPC Beige G3 266 A/V Tower) running OS X. For you PC users this would be akin to running XP on a first gen Pentium.

wow so Im not the only one with one of these machines still (actually mine isnt even considered a G3)

Actually I was running 6100 w/G3 card for my desktop until recently. Vader got me upgraded there to a true G3 beige 266. Damn Mo & Codine Coma... I am lusting after their G5 (sorry for the sticky keyboard Tom

.

What I am finding amusing is currently:
PC but wish had Mac - 4 votes
Mac but wish I had a PC - 0 votes

I think that says it all ;-)

Scorptrio · Post by **Scorptrio** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:32 pm

I've been programming since I was 12 years old, that's 23 years. I've been working on PC hardware for 18 years. In all that time, no one with a Mac has ever had a problem so serious that replacing a modular component or reinstalling the OS didn't fix it. On the other hand, Windows systems have been no end of trouble. Viruses, spyware, crashes, data corruption, constant updates, arcane procedures to fix things, slow down problems, constant upgrades, users screwing things up. In other words, it's been Windows' crappy design and implementation that's kept me in business this long! If everyone had a Mac, I wouldn't have a career! In this case, you gotta go with what doesn't work. Thank god for Windows and Bill Gates and the most fetid evil in the known universe and all the pain and suffering they've caused, because I've been able to make a living fixing up all the messes. I use Windows on all three of my computers because I need to stay ahead of the curve and know every version inside and out so that I can be of use to my clients and get paid. I like to use Macs, I find them easy to set-up and problem free to use. They are very capable as far as office and artistic tasks go. I also keep a dual-boot Linux box handy, but don't use it very often.

Now for the other side of the coin… I am a 3D game junkie. I would never switch over to Mac completely because I gotta have my eye candy and blood-pumping action. The PC is easy to upgrade with more memory, faster motherboard/CPU, bigger hard drive, beefier 3D card. I hate consoles because of crappy TV resolution and the obsolescence factor. I'm not paying all that money for a machine that only does one thing and each game is so expensive and will eventually be dumpstered. I love to hack PC games, customize the graphics, tweak the physics, etc. Gotta have game… sorry Apple.

Codeine Coma · Post by **Codeine Coma** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:42 am

(sorry for the sticky keyboard Tom .

I,myself,am still glazing the keyboard.
Appology accepted.
:lol:

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