5 reasons

CHSgothbabe09 · Post by **CHSgothbabe09** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:17 pm

ok this isnt bout me ok.......

>give me 5 reasons why people shouldnt kill their selves.

>give me 5 reasons to believe in god/ and another 5 why not!!!

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:27 pm

Ok this is gonna be really weird coming from me...but here is the top 5 reasons why I shouldn't kill MYSELF...(this is like some weird fuct up form of therapy...did Coor put you up to this?)...

1) My best friend Willow, who would be there for her if I wasn't? She has always no matter what been there for me, so I would feel bad not being there for her.

2) My cats. Yes, my cats. They are my babies...and I know the minute I'm gone that my mom would throw them out the window. They really are the only thing I look forward to when I go home, as sad and psycho as that sounds.

3) My dad. I get pissed at him. But I really am a daddies girl. And my mom treats him like shit, so I feel like I need to be there to protect him or something.

4) Nick.

5) My music collection...? I dunno, I kinda can't think of a 5th one. If I did kill myself...Willow would definetly get all my shit tho...

Ok, If someone could come up with 5 reasons why I shouldn't kill everyone else...then I will be impressed...

Coor · Post by **Coor** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:52 pm

No I didn't put her up to this, and shhhhh I'm always giving people therpy, they just don't know it. I alter their perception of reality, as Dan would say

CHSgothbabe09 · Post by **CHSgothbabe09** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:07 pm

lol......but yes i am suicidal ( i think thats how u spell it)

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:07 pm

not to do it
1) because they win. you give the powers that be more ammo to attack people still alive facing the same shit
2 )because it means your to pussy to deal with life
3) because your still young, (i read the post you mentioned being in high school) and i can promise you, life doesnt get better after that, it just changes and becomes a HELL of alot easier and it just gets funnier really. my life sucks ass and i love it because i never run out of shit to laugh at.
4) how do you know why to hate life if you havent lived it yet?
5) to piss off and fuck with the people that made you want to do it in the first place.

reasons to believe in god..
lack of better explanations? joking.
really, the deal with god is this:
find your own truth.
look into it. see what you think.
just dont believe the way people treat religiion and i mean any religion, be it wicca or christianity or the jews for that matter, dont think the people represent a religion
read about them yourself, find your own truth.
and yes, this coming from a christian. you cant tell someone what to believe in. noone call tell you why to believe or not believe in a god / gods/ God
its something you do for yourself.

CHSgothbabe09 · Post by **CHSgothbabe09** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:54 pm

me in 7th grade buddy

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:24 pm

1) It will devastate your parents.........Do you know what a persons Mom looks like when she hears the news that her son has taken his own life, and how he did it?
2) Your friends will be haunted forever by your ghost, and the overwhelming guilt that they might have been able to do something if they jsut knew. They will walk around for years asking why.Wake up from dreams and twisted nightmares about you crying, missing you so much. They will have to pack your things in your room or your apartment becasue your parents are too devastated to do it. They will try to find another reason......possibly even blaming eachother, under the utter disbeleif that you didnt love them enough to stick around. Smae may need therapy and medication to keep them from following in your footsteps.
3) think of what you will miss out on! Love, Possibly marriage and children if in the future you might be into that. Awesome concerts that your friends will go to, and wish you were there to see it. Seeing the world, seeing what your life will turn out like. See things often look like shit for a little while then they turn out a lot better, may take a while but they do.
4) Reruns of mad TV and the Anna Nicole Smith Show (Its not supposed to be funny, it just is)
5) Pets???? You pets will be traumatized without you, they will be crushed......siters and brothers the same.

Beleif in God
1) Wow um you know i am a Christian and I really dont know how to answer that, expanding on what junkie said, Salvation is personal. Its definitely not the same for everyone. Some people find it when they are in desprate need of an answer, or a savior, or just one shred of hope. Some people feel it always in their hearts. Some are just born to it, and know no other way.

Pm me if this is about you and any part of this you need to talk about.........Suicide is a very permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Coor · Post by **Coor** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:20 am

Alright, let me give you a story think about. I seldom, tell this because, well I feel like a shitty ass friend anytime I tell someone. I had a freind, and he thought that he had no friends. He thought he was fat, and which he was overwieght, but he wasn't that overweight. he felt ugly, he had a shitty home life, and all of that jazz. He loved a gurl who didn't love him. In the end he shot himself 2 weeks after his 17th Birthday. His father killed himself 6 moths later, and his mother killer herself year later. To the date.

Nick and I weren't best friends. WE knew each other in school, but we seldom hung out outside of class. He and I had almost every class together from freshmen until my junior year, when he shot himself in the head. Since our last names were close together Nick and I ALWAYS sat next to each other. Everyday, we would joke, and shit, we always had a good time with each other, even when he was depreseed. I don't feel the ned to go inot details in further about our relationship, but I'm semi- sure you get the picture.

On October 23rd he went into his basement, loaded his grandfathers 9mm, and shot himself right through his fucking head. have you ever seen what that looks like? Imagine your friends cleaning that shit up. I had a friend who was so tramatized that he was placed in a mental institution for three months. Nick killing himself CAUSED that. his friends were the ones who cleaned up the basement. They picked up chunks of their friends BRAIN and threw it away. THEY found him, screamed, and then the parents came in. Everyone has people who consider themselves friends, wheather they believe it or not. If you do that is ONE of the best reasons not to do it. I still have dreams when I sleep at night. Nightmares more or less. I spent hundreds of dollars in therepy trying to make him go out of my mind. I was just a person he talked to a few hours a day, while doing Grometry. Killing yourself EFFECTS EVERYONE who knows you.

Life is hard, and Junkie is right, it doesn't get easier just funnier. You are just a kid. Many people have those kinds of thoughts, and actually during the tenn years it is being considered normal. Is there something that you like to do? Write? Get a blog. Draw? Grab a pen. The trick is to keep your mind off of it when those thought come about.

Vachy · Post by **Vachy** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:37 pm

Why not to kill yourself?...

1) You only get one life, why not live it? There's so much stuff to experiance, it's a huge shame not to. Think of how lucky you are! There are so many people who are in third world countries, have fatal illnesses, are extremely poor, or otherwise severely limited who would give anything to be in your place.

2) When you step back from the situation, you'll find that most problems are really petty. Hell, you said you're in 7th grade. Even if you did have some genuine problems, you have so much time to overcome them. When you're 30, are you going to remember why you were suicidal at 13 or whatever? Probably not, or if you do, you'll realize how stupid it was.

3) If you hate the people/situation so much, why do you want it to triumph? That's exactly what you do when you kill yourself, you surrender all you have to your enemy.

4) It hurts your friends, family, everyone who loves or depends on you. Are you so selfish that you would hurt them so bad? Sure, it's your life, but it's connected to so many others.

5) It won't win you respect or attention, everyone will think you were a giant idiot. Get your attention and respect in a positive way.

As for God, believe what you feel is right. My reason for believing is that this all came from somewhere, and there are too many wonderful things for it all to be coincidence.

X · Post by X » Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:16 pm

How fucking dumb......

you're in 7th grade and want to kill yourself......

did i read that right?

if so shut the fuck up, grow up, and get over it.

Mistress Eve(L) · Post by **Mistress Eve(L)** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:27 am

Once again........bravo to X for being a voice of reason....where would sad people be without you :-?

I mean when you put it like that.

TheInfiniteMonkey · Post by **TheInfiniteMonkey** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:32 am

1. How can you be sure if you got it right?
2. You miss all the reviews.
3. You will never crush your enemies, see them driven before you, or hear the lamentations of their women.
4. More seriously, because you can always, FUCKING ALWAYS, find someone worse off than you are. Go find them and you'll feel a LOT better.
5. Because you never, NEVER, know what is going to come your way next in life, that's one of the joys and trails of life. Remember this-"Whatever doesn't kill you only makes you stronger." Don't kill yourself and you've already made yourself stonger for that descision.

lovechild · Post by **lovechild** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:34 am

ill be one of the first ones to admit that i have had my suicidal days....but im past that now...I realized how much it hurts your family and friends through others that have comitted the act.....there is too much to live for and at one point or another things do get better....yeah you have to put forth effort to get get them but why be a lazy person....be an over achiever.

CHSgothbabe09 · Post by **CHSgothbabe09** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:43 pm

my mom is leaving..........
cant live with dad........
nowhere to go......

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:56 pm

X wrote:How fucking dumb......

you're in 7th grade and want to kill yourself......

did i read that right?

if so shut the fuck up, grow up, and get over it.

X, that was just dumb...you don't know what people go thru...just because they are young doesn't mean that they don't suffer...and she has the right to say whatever the fuck she wants to about whatever the fuck she wants to...don't start telling people to get over it until you know what they are dealing with...

CHSgothbab09...if you ever wanna talk just PM me and I'll give you my #.

cutelittlepsycho20 · Post by **cutelittlepsycho20** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:37 pm

CHSgothbabe09 wrote:my mom is leaving..........
cant live with dad........
nowhere to go......

Do you mean your parents are separated already and your mom is abandoning you? Or...Do you mean that you want to live with your father but are not allowed to because of court issues and you don't want to go with your mom??

just curious....??? i would be more comfortable knowing where your coming from before i give you advice at all.

although i do have to say that all that suicide will do for you is show everyone, who knows and loves you, that you were a coward and couldn't hack it. when others had to live thru much more pain and tragedy the you will ever know of. they survived through it. and as for God if he does exsist and supposedly has a plan for us all, i doubt he would drop something on you that you could not handle. thats just how i see it.

Although, how everything is percieved by you and acted on by you, is more important than what i or anyone else on this board tells you.

But dont do it. All your doing is giving up.

Vachy · Post by **Vachy** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:13 pm

my mom is leaving..........
cant live with dad........
nowhere to go......

How old are you, dear? 12, 13? You will have somewhere to go, you're not old enough to take care of yourself. (Even if you are mentally ready, you can't legally live by youself, drive, or hold a job.) Someone will find somewhere for you to go. Granted, it may suck, but it's only for a few more years. Please don't hurt yourself, there's always a way out. If you need someone to talk to, I'm sure any of us would be glad to help.

X · Post by X » Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:15 pm

No ya know what.....i CAN talk shit on this because i did all that crap, and i thought everything was so bad and wanted to die and blah blah blah.....and if i could hop into a time machine, and go and tell my 14 year old self to shut the fuck up, buck up and quitcha bitchin, i WOULD....and i would probably be a stronger person today....hell i would at least have maybe went to school, and not laid out all the fucking time cus i didn't want to deal with the shit.

No, i hid in a hole, and was all morbid and retarded.

And thats why i have the issues i have today, that i am so hardcorely going thru and setting on fire...in some instances literally.

I've went thru this, and i have the voice of reason.

and if i don't- then heres a 5 question fucking quiz for our sad one.

1. do you have a home
2. you have a computer right?
3. you do go to school....yes?
4. do you eat?
5. do you have clothes?

if the answers to that are yes' then we have a little bitcher.....

this chick obviously has a home (even if her mom is leaving and dad doesn't want her...she will still go to a home), she has to have a computer to be posting.....or at least access to one, which means she is probably, IN SCHOOL.....where she gets to eat.....and HAS to wear clothes.

THIS is where my argument comes in.....and its simple- and i'll even give you old advice....

when you think you have it bad...go out into the world, and look around....there are people who have to find a fucking box in a dumpster to sleep in.....theres people who eat what i throw away, and there's people with physical defects, mental defects, and other little shit wrong with them......THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO HAS IT WORSE THAN YOU.....

*esp if i had it right reading this chick is in 7th grade....like money she shouldn't even know what the fuck it is yet*

and if thats too fucking harsh, than perhaps its for you as well.

X · Post by X » Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:30 pm

*i would also just like to add, i see this as an attention getter, or simply put a i had a bad day type things, since when i originally posted, as well as that last post...it was sitting right next to this chicks name my band post...which is all cheery and happy and blah blah blah blah fucking blah.*

QueenOfTheFlock · Post by **QueenOfTheFlock** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:47 pm

X wrote:How fucking dumb......

you're in 7th grade and want to kill yourself......

did i read that right?

if so shut the fuck up, grow up, and get over it.

*sigh*
Barry, Barry, Barry.....love ya dear but that is so wrong.

I lost my very best friend WHEN I was in 7th grade. I was 12 and he was 10. They found him hanging in a tree behind his house. You ask what could make a 10 year old, a virtual baby still, kill themself. Well, we were very close and he told me a lot of things that at the time I thought was just stupid silly stories about "monsters" in his room that I now believe were his own personal demons. He had told me many times about how his home life was abusive but I didn't think there was anything I could do. I was only 12 and in 7th grade. So, I did nothing. One day, he was upset and for the first time ever, wouldn't even speak to me. I had a gut wrenching feeling that night while at the skate rink and the next morning, I found out the bad news. It doesn't matter what your age is. Bad things can happen to make anyone snap and make that decision. I wish I had tried harder and for a long time, I blamed myself thinking I was the only one who could have gotten through to him and I didn't try hard enough but I was only 12 and a 12 year old isn't supposed to be able to look at a situation and think "oh, he seems suicidal" but he was and I had no idea. It's something I still regret but have become more comfortable with. He would have been 23 this past March 11 if he were still alive. He was born in 1981 and died Sept. 20, 1991. I still have the funeral slip even though my mother wouldn't let me go to it...she thought it would be too hard on me to see him that way.

So, to also answer that question and maybe reiterate what has been said by others, if you don't say no to suicide for your own benefit, think of the people who you are leaving behind. I came close to it myself after him because he was my best friend in the world and to this day, I've always believed if he had not done it, that he was my soul mate. Someone might not be able to cope with losing you (that might be hard to believe if you're in a suicidal state but it's very true!) and they may follow your lead. I was lucky to have friends who stayed with me a lot during that time and they KNEW how I was doing at all times because they worried for me. I still visit the grave site (which is just up the street) several times a year. I wish I had done something and have so much regret. Don't leave someone else to deal with the mess because you feel like you can't. The mess they'll have to deal with will be much worse than the mess you're dealing with. Sorrow and grief, guilt, love and anger.....and it never goes away.....just lessens with time.....