Any agnostics/atheists in da hizouse?

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 8:42 am

Yes...I am really bored with the forum right now...so, I thought I'd see who else is just a plain non-believer....?

Nemesis · Post by **Nemesis** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 8:47 am

Well... you've got my vote in this subject...

The Fallen · Post by **The Fallen** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:17 am

I'm not sure...
Do I believe in you?
Do you believe in me?
Are we all figments of someone elses imagination?
Nice dress by the way :mrgreen:

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:46 am

*Agnostic with deathwish weighing in**BARF*

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:38 pm

i used to be. not anymore though. i have a moderate amount of religion now....

Celestial Dung · Post by **Celestial Dung** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:46 pm

Nonbeliever Celestial Dung reporting in.

With a present!

http://www.infidels.org/index.shtml

A little bit more companionship for those of us on the non thiestic side of things. Check out the forum...

Post by **Administrator** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:54 pm

hmmm... I'm not sure I can be an athiest - after all, I know I exist.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:18 pm

To paraphrase Terry Pratchett: "I don't believe in the supernatural because a fish doesn't believe in water."

The Liberal Vampyre · Post by **The Liberal Vampyre** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:32 pm

I used to consider myself an Agnostic, but over the past year, I've become such a relativist, that I think my beliefs on "God" would even contradict agnosticism's core principle, which is that, at the current time, no knowledge of "God's" existance or "God's" nature can be known because of our human reality.

I don't agree with this, anymore. "God" is created by humans and can not exist outside of the mind of the individual. Thus, the origin and nature of God's existance is known. It's origin is human beings. It's nature is defined by human beings.

However, realization of the fact that "God" is simply created by the individual makes answering the question, "Do I believe in God", rather odd. Obviously, "God" exists since its origin is simply the human mind, but because I know this, I realize that "God" is a concept that exists in no absolute form. "God" only exists if I wish for "it" to exist and I'm just completely indifferent on that issue.

If any of that made any sense, whatsoever.

But, uhhh, usually if someone just gives me a list of religious preferences to pick, and I don't get to tell about my religious beliefs, then I just check the Agnostic box. It's about as close as I come to anything.

X · Post by X » Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:44 pm

I believe in me, my talents, and my abbilities.

I believe in the wrestling buisiness.

rather than that...everything else is FAKE

Post by **Arkady** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:46 pm

Jack wrote:To paraphrase Terry Pratchett: "I don't believe in the supernatural because a fish doesn't believe in water."

I couldn't have said it better myself. Terry ownz.

I myself believe in the natural. "supernatural" is something we invented to balance out what we didn't/don't understand.

Does that mean I am not spiritual? no. I believe in states of being beyond that of the flesh. I just don't buy most of the worlds dogmattic explinations for things.

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:20 pm

Wow...I knew it wouldn't be too hard for me to start an interesting thread...thanks for the input peoples..

Thanks CD for the link too..I dropped my son off at his church to meet up with his dad, and they were having a potluck (*we should do this soon free food rocks) and it sort of made me miss the sense of community...I'd try a unitarian church, but I think that is mostly pagan coffee hour...

Non-theist is probably a better term than agnostic...but...I don't know..I think its kind of egotistical to say...I KNOW ALL THE GOINGS ON OF THE UNIVERSE period. Say, like Spinoza's god, who created things and then left the creation alone...No one knows for a fact what exists really.

I do admire anyone that can have faith in their beliefs. It's spiffy.

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:48 pm

The trick is to believe in something and then not kill,mangle,badger,harass, or down someone for their beliefs. Very Tricky!

The Liberal Vampyre · Post by **The Liberal Vampyre** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:58 pm

Administrator wrote:hmmm... I'm not sure I can be an athiest - after all, I know I exist.

You know, I assume the implication here is that you are God, but actually, Rene Descartes's logic supposedly proving God's existance basically amounts to what you just said.

I think, therefore I exist (I am), and somehow, this in turns, means God exists. Or so Descartes would argue. I like Descartes but I never bought his proof of God's existance stemming from his own existance. Mainly, because his "existance" was merely perceived by himself and not necessarily by any other entity.

Sir Diddimus · Post by **Sir Diddimus** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 4:17 pm

Non-theist, I like it..........

Check, but what about me. How can this be true? I'm Gawd!!!!!

Seraph Antaine · Post by **Seraph Antaine** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 7:12 pm

Mercurygriffin wrote:The trick is to believe in something and then not kill,mangle,badger,harass, or down someone for their beliefs. Very Tricky!

Die, heretic! :evil:

Sir Diddimus wrote:Check, but what about me. How can this be true? I'm Gawd!!!!!

Man, I really think God would have a cooler-looking avatar.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 8:18 pm

Yeah, it's always fun to point out to atheists that they're just as much putting stock in faith as a religious person is. Atheists who claim there "definitely" is no God are wacky, wacky people. I only wish I were ignorant enough to be that sure of something

As for the supernatural thing, I agree with Jason. Nothing that happens is "supernatural". I think everything can be explained, even though I believe in things like telepathy and empathy and a collective unconcious. It's all just different kinds of energy, way I figure it.

The Stormstress · Post by **The Stormstress** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 1:20 am

I was baptized (Baptist) as a child (the ole fail safe)...

I spent a few years as an agnostic (Problem there waz that I hated not knowing... read a lotta books, asked a lotta ?s, & got a lotta answerz that I couldn't ignore)...

Now, I just follow my own path... Though, I do find many religious texts quite useful as reference materials.

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 8:20 am

Some more links:

Skeptical Inquirer

Skeptic

Also, I am a charter member of the UT student rationalism thingy (not that I'm rational or anything...

and the faculty advisor is this guy whose work has been featured in the above magazines.

Oh and there is Rationalists of East Tennessee

interf4ce · Post by **interf4ce** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 10:16 am

im retracting my post.