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ophelia · Post by **ophelia** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:24 am

This cannot happen.

Welcome to the Dark Ages.

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/ ... 72,00.html

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/ ... 81,00.html

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:36 am

Dammit

, I can't pull it up since I'm at work (and news and media is blocked)...can you tell me a lil? If not it's cool.

Post by **Bone** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:57 am

vicious_blood wrote:Dammit , I can't pull it up since I'm at work (and news and media is blocked)...can you tell me a lil? If not it's cool.

Basically a resolution is up for vote at the county comission:

Morons in Knox County Comission wrote:That the Knox County Commission hereby urges all American citizens, to proclaim to every level of government (local, state and federal) its responsibility to publicly recognize God as the foundation of our national heritage, lest our nation forget and our children never know!

Be it further resolved, that this resolution is to take effect from and after its passage, as proved by the charter of Knox County, Tennessee, the public welfare requiring it.

Hurm Whatever happened to the alleged seperation of Church and State???? I find it sad that this resolution is even made it to a level to be voted on. Much less that in a non-binding vote it already has the majority to pass (10-9). This just shows how intolerant the county commission is of non-Xian religious beliefs. I DO NOT mean this as a slam on Christians! I just find it sad that these people (the "yes" votes in the commission) feel they have to dominate the goverment and therein the citizens in their religious doctrines with no thought or respect for other beliefs. Believe it or not but our countries heritage has MANY other religious groups who have a part of our founding. Just not quite so many of em. Whats next, rewrite history that the war of american independance and civil war were religious wars for God?
And I just was getting to really like living here and Knoxville again....*sigh*

This just further makes me want to run for office under the "Wild" Party. Just so I could be both a voice of reason as well as a royal pain in the ass for people who try and pull this crap.

Synthpopalooza · Post by **Synthpopalooza** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:23 pm

You know, I caught a speech by Al Gore that he made recently to a bunch of these moveon.org supporters, about how we've been having a lot of our freedoms taken away since 9/11 happened ... and you know what, he's absolutely right. The things he said have absolutely scared the living daylights out of me, and this God resolution is another example of this.

We live in frightening times.

Post by **DarkVader** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:27 pm

This is outrageous conduct on the part of the Knox County Commission.

Even those who believe in a god should be able to understand the tyranny of forcing their religion on others. In the past, it was considered so important as to be included in the U.S. Constitution:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Those who would try to do this are trying to turn this country into a theocracy, one potentially as bad as the current state of affairs in Saudi Arabia.

A list of county commissioners can be found here:

http://www.knoxcounty.org/commission/commissioners.html

Hardcoregirl · Post by **Hardcoregirl** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:42 pm

I live in Anderson County, otherwise I'd write.

That is scary...that and all other freedoms that Bush is trying to slowly leak away.

Anyone But Bush-2004

Sir Diddimus · Post by **Sir Diddimus** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:42 pm

Well, at least there are nine level headed commissioners.....

Commissioner Diane Jordan, a practicing Christian, voted against it saying she does not like to impose her views on others.

Let's start the phone calls and e-mails.....
There are ten others who need a quick reality check.

The Stormstress · Post by **The Stormstress** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:16 pm

This is unconstitutional & ridiculous!!! Please, speak out 2 save our community (& urselvez) from this travesty of government.

For district, commissioner, or other info, c:http://www.knoxcounty.org/commission;
e-mail: knoxcom@esper.com

vampire goddess · Post by **vampire goddess** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:55 pm

this is absolutely ridiciulous and goes to show what happens when you do mix church and state.

i also found a website here just a few minutes ago condemining wiccans by the christian religion saying that:
"I personally hear from Wiccans, pagans, Satanists, Buddhists, etc.--in other words, I get just about every ingredient in the Devil's mumbo-jumbo gumbo. And each of these groups got something in common-- Lucifer. And the remarkable thing is that many of these groups actually know him by "Lucifer" or some deriviative whether the horned god, Pan (the goat-foot god), Cernunnos, Dionysos, Osiris, Bacchus, etc. The horned god is a phallic (phallic refers to a man's poo-poo) deity of fertility. Why would people worship the devil? Because he offers what they like! "Do what thou wilt shalt be the whole of the law."
it kind of made me really sad.. because in some forms and in some manners i thought we had come a long way from this... but when i see two, things in one day... it just really hit home for me. i kind feel like i am going to be sick.....

The Stormstress · Post by **The Stormstress** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:04 pm

vampire goddess wrote:"The horned god is a phallic (phallic refers to a man's poo-poo)" .....

" ... a man's poo-poo..." ---No, it'z not a man'z "shit" :lol:

They might wanna start with an anatomy lesson or, at least, look up phallic n the dictionary b4 they venture 2 far n2 religion... :lol:

vampire goddess · Post by **vampire goddess** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:08 pm

yeah .... i agree with that.

Thrall · Post by **Thrall** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:13 pm

DarkVader wrote:This is outrageous conduct on the part of the Knox County Commission.

i love it when youre righteously indignant

vertigo25 · Post by **vertigo25** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:18 pm

You should know this has already passed in some other counties. I've been doing some research on this. I'll post some (hopefully useful) info here in a day or two.

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:55 pm

just remember to not all people who believe in god (mainly christians im talking about here) are like this
just the zealot morons repeating the sins of the past.
religion ++ masses == tyranny every time
fight back on their level. not only appeal to your reps, find people that have their beliefs and follow them without being a zealot and get them to do it too, they can start a countermovement others cant.
just a thought.
and yes, thats very fucked up.

Lost Traveler · Post by **Lost Traveler** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:07 pm

I warned you guys the first birth throughs (spell) of the Holy Rebuplican Empire would be starting this fall.

ophelia · Post by **ophelia** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:45 pm

Here is another story on the issue:
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/ ... 48,00.html

This resolution has already passed in Greene county, and 94 other counties are "urging its passage."

There is another option. Dominion and I are thinking about going to the courthouse Monday night. As you probably know, these meetings are public forums. Individuals can sign up to be heard, and any civilian support is very influential upon commission decisions. It's common knowledge that more than thrity people can severly impact a decision. The best thing to do is have one intelligent spokesperson and a large supporting audience. I am not suggesting a rally- that requires a permit and organization. But I am proposing a direct representaion of people who oppose the resolution. Appearing in person would be more impressive than emails. Dominion is working on finding a good speaker, possibly from within the university. I'll post more info as soon as I can for those of you who are interested.

Post by **Bone** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:49 pm

IMHO anyone who votes yes to this resolution needs to be removed from office, as they don't have the better intrests of knoxville in mind, only how they are gonna get re-elected at the end of their term.
And those are politicians of the kind we don't need!
ARGH!
Sorry just felt the need to rant for a moment
:evil:

Back to the point - I am so there for support
Ophelia... keep us posted!!!!

KG Grass Roots Politics :twisted:

Cheerleader of the Damned · Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:01 am

It's only a resolution people. It means virtually nothing. They passed a resolution to honor the owner of the Burgin dealerships. That's how little this all means.

I was listening to Hallerin Hilton Hill yesterday and even most of the Christians don't care one way or the other if it's passed because it's pretty much useless. "It's a legislative tipping of the hat" according to Hal. You can get your panties in a twist if you like, but it won't effect your lives in any way no matter which way the vote goes.

Furthermore, as I understand it, Knox County already plans to vote it down because several large groups are worried that it will offend people of other religions.

Also, I believe it's up for vote in EVERY county in Tennessee. And if you want to learn more about it, the man heading it is supposed to be on the O'Reilly Factor Thursday evening.

celticsmith · Post by **celticsmith** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:46 am

I suppose that if such a resolution is passed that I could sue for discrimination.....

....Not religious discrimination, of course. everyone and their brother should be doing that.

I propose that I sue them for SEXUAL discrimination because my GOD is a GODDESS.

By the way O.....What time is that meeting on Monday?

vicious_blood · Post by **vicious_blood** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:01 am

The Stormstress wrote:
vampire goddess wrote:"The horned god is a phallic (phallic refers to a man's poo-poo)" .....

" ... a man's poo-poo..." ---No, it'z not a man'z "shit"

They might wanna start with an anatomy lesson or, at least, look up phallic n the dictionary b4 they venture 2 far n2 religion...

Right...I just hate how people are so close-minded nowadays...If it's not what "they" do, it's not right, and they want to MAKE everyone beleive how they beleive...it's not even about reasoning and teaching people anymore, they just want to force it on everyone.