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blindboy · Post by **blindboy** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:59 am

Can I have a drummer roll call

Here.

although it is very doubtful we will be able to attend.

Coor · Post by **Coor** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:17 am

Coor , What are you afraid of ? You seem to be trying to talk folks out of this by trying to tell them that the locals are bad . I have found that as long as you are courteous with them , they will do the same for you

Dear what are you talking about? I WANT TO GO! I have BEEn there, several times, and I don't consider a place where a man kills his wife and it's consider an "intese domestic disbute," and he only gets a year in jail. Anyways, that's not the point. I am just purposing that we go to a SAFE camping place for EVERYONE. There are tons of camp grounds, why must we go there?

Post by **DarkVader** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:47 pm

Coor wrote:Dear what are you talking about? I WANT TO GO! I have BEEn there, several times, and I don't consider a place where a man kills his wife and it's consider an "intese domestic disbute," and he only gets a year in jail. Anyways, that's not the point. I am just purposing that we go to a SAFE camping place for EVERYONE. There are tons of camp grounds, why must we go there?

Um, the KY thing is a bit of a tangent to the discussion.

As I understand it, the locations actually being considered for the event are closer to home.

steerpike's revenge · Post by **steerpike's revenge** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:18 pm

Might I make a suggestion - before you plan this and it gets outta hand. I have been to a large number of pagan/wiccan gatherings thru out the country. I believe a couple of comments back there was a concern about people under the age of 18 going. It would be in your best intrest or whomever is organizing this event to get a mailing list first of intrested parties. Then once you have a mailing list you can make up a flyer or info about the location and time and a form that would include the price per person, what to bring etc... and it would included a list of what is appropriate and not appropriate to bring (i.e. dogs, animals, children etc). Also if you are doing this locally I will tell you now if you are planning to have a Drum circle or any entertainment and you are doing this at a National park campsite or at a public campsite you might be required to list your intentions with the said party. Some campsites frown on "gatherings" unless you can give them a legit reason and a legit "game plan" on how things are going to be handled like security issues etc.... In past dealings with local gatherings it is best i f you can find someone with private property who does not care what you do on it. Just some friendly advice to take to heart before you get this idea into motion. It will save you a lot of heartache in the end. Most events I have been to have taken a year to plan and has covered all the bases (legal and safe).

Post by **Arkady** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:09 pm

steerpike's revenge wrote:Might I make a suggestion - before you plan this and it gets outta hand. I have been to a large number of pagan/wiccan gatherings thru out the country. I believe a couple of comments back there was a concern about people under the age of 18 going. It would be in your best intrest or whomever is organizing this event to get a mailing list first of intrested parties. Then once you have a mailing list you can make up a flyer or info about the location and time and a form that would include the price per person, what to bring etc... and it would included a list of what is appropriate and not appropriate to bring (i.e. dogs, animals, children etc). Also if you are doing this locally I will tell you now if you are planning to have a Drum circle or any entertainment and you are doing this at a National park campsite or at a public campsite you might be required to list your intentions with the said party. Some campsites frown on "gatherings" unless you can give them a legit reason and a legit "game plan" on how things are going to be handled like security issues etc.... In past dealings with local gatherings it is best i f you can find someone with private property who does not care what you do on it. Just some friendly advice to take to heart before you get this idea into motion. It will save you a lot of heartache in the end. Most events I have been to have taken a year to plan and has covered all the bases (legal and safe).

Good advise to be sure and in all honesty, most of what is stated in the above post was already in mind. The intent of this thread was to see how many of the KG community would be interested in such an evening. The actual planning of the said event has yet to be done but as usual, will be handled with the utmost professionalism and care to such issues as security and legality as is natural with all KG sponsored events.

On a personal note, I am of the opinion that I don't want to be responsible for anyone under the age of 18 who’s parents I don't already know personally and whom I already have a bond with. I don't think that Bone does either. Not that any one has implied this but I would like to state that this isn't intended to be a "high school - let's go hide from our parents in the woods and get fucked up party." Most of us are well beyond those days and do not wish to help facilitate such shenanigans.

Not Goth · Post by **Not Goth** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:19 pm

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On the camping note, I can only go if there ARE bathrooms. Sorry, but being preggers and trying to pee in the woods wouldn't mesh well. Think of what happened to Humpty Dumpty. It's all about balance.

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Peeing pg in the woods was easier for me than trying to squat above the surface of some nasty public tiolet! You find a (strong) branch or trunk of a tree andgrab onto it with your hands and lean back a little so you don't pee down your leg. But getting up after sleeping on the ground...that's another story!

Erynn

Vachy · Post by **Vachy** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:21 pm

2. Hot Springs Spa and Resort, Hot Springs, NC ... this place is just heavenly. You get access to natural hot water spas, a campground nearby, plus the whole town has a nice quiet feel to it. This whole place just gives me good vibes, and it's only an hour and a half east of Knoxville on I-40. http://www.hotspringsspa-nc.com

I haven't camped there, but I've been to that spa. They're in gazebos, and you can see the creek running behind you, but they're far enough from the path that it's mostly private. Very nice. I visited my cousin who lives in North Carolina for a week about 5 years back, great place. She lived in Madison, I think, but we were mostly shopping and such around Asheville. Really friendly place, but granted I was dressing fairly normal then, as I was 12 years old...

On a personal note, I am of the opinion that I don't want to be responsible for anyone under the age of 18 who’s parents I don't already know personally and whom I already have a bond with. I don't think that Bone does either. Not that any one has implied this but I would like to state that this isn't intended to be a "high school - let's go hide from our parents in the woods and get fucked up party." Most of us are well beyond those days and do not wish to help facilitate such shenanigans.

I've been camping many times, and have never gone to hide from my parents. In fact, quite a few times there were parents there. And I've never been fucked up period, let alone with strangers in the middle of the woods. If it were expected to be that kind of event, I definatly would not go.

Cryso lueth Wylthen · Post by **Cryso lueth Wylthen** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:21 pm

Ehm... But my question is would high schoolers be welcome to come, because I would like to go, just to meet some of the kg people, and actually get out of my house and talk to people

(About the whole hiding in the woods and getting fucked up thing, I dont do things like that. Just wanna get out of the house and meet the people I talk to -.-)

Not Goth · Post by **Not Goth** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:30 pm

I would love love love to go camping, but here is my dilema.

I am a single mom, and am afraid to go camping alone without another grownup. I have been looking for a group to go camping with. Could I bring my kids? I would be responsible for them.

(And I;m not the goth one anyway, my daughter is. I can promise that at age 3 she is more darkly beautiful than any magical being you may see in the woods.)

Erynn

Post by **Arkady** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:27 pm

Not Goth wrote:I would love love love to go camping, but here is my dilema.

I am a single mom, and am afraid to go camping alone without another grownup. I have been looking for a group to go camping with. Could I bring my kids? I would be responsible for them.

(And I;m not the goth one anyway, my daughter is. I can promise that at age 3 she is more darkly beautiful than any magical being you may see in the woods.)

Erynn

Hi Erynn, we are glad to here you here.

Many of us have kids and indeed we do often have "kid friendly get-togethers." Sometimes our get-together's are (ahem) not so kid friendly. Adults need play time too.

The bottom line on this one is that the determination had not been made at this hour as to which kind of gathering this is going to be.

The fact is, the response to this whole camping thing has in all actuality been quite overwhelming really. So much so that in the future, it may very well turn in a much bigger event than is currently the plan. Believe it or not, Sanctus started out with attendance right around 60 folks. Now look where we are at. Alas, as is my habit, I digress...

I tell you what, Bone and I are getting together tomorrow to do some work on my car. While this is being done, we will try to hammer out (no pun intended) some specifics for you all.

Hadessious Darkreaver wrote:Ehm... But my question is would high schoolers be welcome to come, because I would like to go, just to meet some of the kg people, and actually get out of my house and talk to people

(About the whole hiding in the woods and getting fucked up thing, I don’t do things like that. Just wanna get out of the house and meet the people I talk to -.-)

HD, I hope you didn't take offence to my statements before. Please understand that we really _DO_ want to support all of our younger community members in any way we can. Believe me, I would love to meet you and facilitate you meeting all of our other community members. I also believe you when you say that you have the best of intentions.

I believe that the time has come for us (the KGB) to work out some sort of guidelines for dealing with situations when we have minors in the upper teens that want to attend our non-club events that would allow them to attend. One of the obvious answers would be to have said minor bring along a parent. This is often how we have dealt with this sort of situation in the past and thus far, it has worked out famously. We also realize that this is not always an option.

Tomorrow, Bone and I will discuss other ideas. Vader, you are welcome to catch up with us at the shop if you have some spare time to help along with the process.

I'll post more as soon as I have it to post.

Cheers!

spookwhore · Post by **spookwhore** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:38 pm

Yo, Bone I'm all for it. I've been looking for an excuse to go camping for awhile. Even if it is in a cabin, or something. ODDITY will be all for it too. Please keep the details up & running. Thanx!!!

Scorptrio · Post by **Scorptrio** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:52 pm

I'm a member of a pagan/wiccan community in Cosby. We have festivals several times a year. There are plenty of camping spaces and there are shower and bathroom facilities, though the latter is a composting toilet which has more of an outhouse feel than a modern plumbed facility. There is also a full kitchen in the Great Hall so meals could be indoors if it rains. We're renovating now and I'm not sure when everything will be ready for a gathering like the one we're talking about here. If we're ready before any other permanent plans are made, I'll let everyone know. It's off highway 321 (Gatlinburg/Cosby) near The Front Porch restaurant, which I know some of you are familiar with. Costs would probably be less than a pay-to-camp park and we wouldn't have to worry about authorities or the public and noise all night long wouldn't be a problem. We have a meadow for a huge bonfire and drumming circle, clothing is optional but of course no pets, illegal substances or underage drinking would be allowed. Silver Frost, Mercury Griffin, Damia, Maykyr, Stormstress and a few others are familiar with the place. There are circles in the woods which could be made available for those interested in ceremony or meditation. This is all just a sugestion - there are of course pros and cons to holding the camping weekend on private property rather than a state park.

Not Goth · Post by **Not Goth** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 2:07 pm

Many of us have kids and indeed we do often have "kid friendly get-togethers." Sometimes our get-together's are (ahem) not so kid friendly. Adults need play time too.

Cool that you have kid friendly activities, and you are right, sometimes we need adult time too, I keep forgetting!

I was thinking I would only bring 1 kid, but now I believe I would try to find a sitter for all! (After all, my point is to meet people, but I couldn't do that with the kids!)

erynn

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 2:29 pm

yes! if it would be kid friendly, we would most definitely come. we like to camp, fish and the like. jeffry would like to do some rappelling also, if anyone else knows how or has a desire to learn, maybe something like that can also be worked in?

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