Article on "Goth" music at grammy.com

karlaBOO · Post by **karlaBOO** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 11:04 pm

Thanks to ever lovely Jett Black for the linkie

http://www.grammy.com/features/2003/0625_goth.html

interesting read.

darkdahla · Post by **darkdahla** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:30 am

I wonder if the person who wrote the article knows the difference between Goth and Industrial music. Since when were NIN or Skinny Puppy considered Goth bands?

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:55 am

darkdahla wrote:I wonder if the person who wrote the article knows the difference between Goth and Industrial music. Since when were NIN or Skinny Puppy considered Goth bands?

I know the difference between Goth and Industrial Clangy Goodness, but I always lumped NIN and SP in with Goth more because of the majority of their fan base is of the "gawth" persuasion.

But then again, labels suck donkey nads anyway. What does it matter?...

darkdahla · Post by **darkdahla** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:13 am

Actually, Rivetheads are a majority of their fan base. And Rivetheads don't care about being labeled Rivetheads or not.

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 3:56 am

Reading that felt like racial profiling. I'm scared now.

pryjmaty · Post by **pryjmaty** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 9:32 am

Thanx for posting that, Karla. I thought it was a good article. It's quite unusual to find an article about "goth" that doesn't slam the scene.
In fact," says Black, "it is very difficult to find anything that we would all agree upon."

Afuckingmen!!!!

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:59 am

and i quote "These days, the goth and industrial scenes are so closely associated, even experts are hard-pressed to define what goth is. "It really can't be summed up simply," says Scary Lady Sarah, a popular Chicago DJ and promoter. "If there's a common thread, it's the mood — a melancholy feel, a darkness. But it's not something you can pinpoint very easily." (Britt)

the author said that NIN and the others were industrial rock. he just was setting an example the difrerence between 1979 to th early '90s.

kimmie

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 12:26 pm

darkdahla wrote:Actually, Rivetheads are a majority of their fan base. And Rivetheads don't care about being labeled Rivetheads or not.

Yes. Of course. Pardonnez moi.

Because you know, we need to exact labels upon ourselves. It's the American way. :roll:

Well, if it's OK with you, I want my own snap-tight Tupperware compartment. I'm not into sharing.

does anyone else think this "what is gawth, what isn't" conversation needs to roll over and die?

junkie christ · Post by **junkie christ** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:12 pm

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:29 pm

Let me make it simple for you.

Goff - "Oh, I am depressed and caked with makeup. Moan"
Industrial - "I've replaced my winky with a pneumatic drill, and am about to make amateur porno for all to see!" (Thank you, Caustic)
Alternative - "Are we out of Funyons already?"
Country - "Mmm, Betsy sure is lookin' sexy tonight. " :cowsleep:

Hip-Hop - "Yo bitches, I'm high on crack! Wanna freebase in my hizzow?" </pacman>
Pop - "MMM-Plop!" :poop:

Stupid - "Really, what is Goff?"

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. :mrgreen:

Mercurygriffin · Post by **Mercurygriffin** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:35 pm

iblis wrote:Let me make it simple for you.

Goff - "Oh, I am depressed and caked with makeup. Moan"
Industrial - "I've replaced my winky with a pneumatic drill, and am about to make amateur porno for all to see!" (Thank you, Caustic)
Alternative - "Are we out of Funyons already?"
Country - "Mmm, Betsy sure is lookin' sexy tonight. "
Hip-Hop - "Yo bitches, I'm high on crack! Wanna freebase in my hizzow?" </pacman>
Pop - "MMM-Plop!"
Stupid - "Really, what is Goff?"

I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

what is your version of a rivethead?

iblis · Post by **iblis** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:40 pm

Mercurygriffin wrote:
iblis wrote:Let me make it simple for you.

Goff - "Oh, I am depressed and caked with makeup. Moan"
Industrial - "I've replaced my winky with a pneumatic drill, and am about to make amateur porno for all to see!" (Thank you, Caustic)
Alternative - "Are we out of Funyons already?"
Country - "Mmm, Betsy sure is lookin' sexy tonight. "
Hip-Hop - "Yo bitches, I'm high on crack! Wanna freebase in my hizzow?" </pacman>
Pop - "MMM-Plop!"
Stupid - "Really, what is Goff?"

I could go on, but I think you get the picture.
what is your version of a rivethead?

I don't know that I've met one. They're either very shy, or they're NINJAS!

darkdahla · Post by **darkdahla** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 4:28 pm

Nexxus23 wrote:Well, if it's OK with you, I want my own snap-tight Tupperware compartment. I'm not into sharing.

You'll have to poke holes in it for air. :shock:

littlepockit · Post by **littlepockit** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 4:37 pm

does anyone else think this "what is gawth, what isn't" conversation needs to roll over and die?

yep.

Nexxus23 · Post by **Nexxus23** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 5:29 pm

darkdahla wrote:
Nexxus23 wrote:Well, if it's OK with you, I want my own snap-tight Tupperware compartment. I'm not into sharing.

You'll have to poke holes in it for air.

But I'm undead. No need for ventilation.

Well, it could get a tad smelly after a few days, unless it's outfitted with a shower. Best burp me every 3 days, whaddya say?

Caustic · Post by **Caustic** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:30 pm

When they called Metropolis a Goff label, I just stopped reading.

darkdahla · Post by **darkdahla** » Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:42 pm

Caustic wrote:When they called Metropolis a Goff label, I just stopped reading.

Maybe they thought that is was a major Goth label because of Peter Murphy.

karlaBOO · Post by **karlaBOO** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:51 am

Why are you guys getting your panties in a wad? It's an article that's pretty much saying everything that a lot of you have been complaining about.

Read it again.

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 10:16 am

does anyone else think this "what is gawth, what isn't" conversation needs to roll over and die?

yes....Im so fukking sikk of the stapleheaded goth persuasion "Im so Goth" or the Uber-Goth "better than you" bullshit that goes on here

Personally if you don't know what you are then you have bigger issues than what your preferred stereotype is..go watch some Mtv or something and leave it alone... :evil:

darkdahla · Post by **darkdahla** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:04 am

scarecrow wrote:yes....Im so fukking sikk of the stapleheaded goth persuasion "Im so Goth" or the Uber-Goth "better than you" bullshit that goes on here

Personally if you don't know what you are then you have bigger issues than what your preferred stereotype is..go watch some Mtv or something and leave it alone...

What are you talking about? I said NIN and Skinny Puppy are industrial bands not goth bands. As in thier music. MMMMMMUUUUUUUSSSSSIIIIIIIIICCCCCCC. Wasn't even talking about people at all.

And KarlaBoo, I do agree with the articles qoutes from Rosenthal and others but I think he should have done more homework before writing that article. Metroplois is not the preeminent Goth label. Mostly have Industrial bands. Then he says Siouxsie and Ministry were some of the founding Goth bands and NIN,Skinny Puppy, and Front 242 were the next wave of goth bands(they are industrial and Ministry has been around one year more than Skinny Puppy). The qoutes from others are nice buit he(the writer) is a dumbass.